DC Networks and Kirchoff's Laws

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The discussion revolves around calculating the current through a 12V battery in a circuit using Kirchhoff's Laws. Participants explore various methods of circuit analysis, including the branch current method and Kirchhoff's Voltage and Current Laws, while addressing homework-related questions and calculations.

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  • Homework-related
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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the current in a loop using Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) but expresses uncertainty about when to add or subtract voltages and resistances.
  • Another participant suggests that a single equation for one loop may not capture the interactions between loops, prompting a discussion on circuit analysis methods.
  • Some participants mention the branch current method and Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) as alternative approaches to analyze the circuit.
  • There are multiple equations proposed for the left and right loops, with participants attempting to derive relationships between the currents I1, I2, and I3.
  • Discrepancies arise regarding the assumed current directions, leading to corrections and adjustments in calculations by participants.
  • Participants discuss the power dissipated in resistors, questioning which formulas to use and highlighting potential errors in current calculations affecting power results.
  • One participant recalculates currents and presents new values, seeking validation from others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct application of Kirchhoff's Laws and the resulting current values. There is no consensus on the final current values or the correct approach to calculating power dissipated in resistors.

Contextual Notes

Participants note issues with the initial current values and the importance of using the correct voltage across each resistor when calculating power. There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions that may affect the final results.

  • #31
biggdogg9 said:
I have follewed up this point quite clearly, however I don't understand the reason why we have to multiply equation 1 by 3 ? If somebody could explain this too me or even send me a link where I can understand why.

It's a technique for solving the two simultaneous equations. The idea is to make the coefficients of one of the variables the same in both equations so that when the difference of the two equations is taken that variable drops away leaving a single equation in one unknown (the other variable).

In this case the poster chose to eliminate the I1 variable. To that end he looked at the coefficients of I1 in each equation: 4 and 3. A number that has both as factors is 12, so he multiplied the two equations by suitable values to yield 12I1 in each.
 
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  • #32
Cheers gneil
 
  • #33
Hi All,

I too have this question and am a little confused. For the value of L2 I get -0.4545 but if I use this figure to get L1 I get 0.590875 which is nowhere near what you guys are saying.

If I use 0.4545 instead I get somehwere near the answers suggested on here.

Could someone please explain what happens to the minus (is it disregarded because it is indicative of current direction?) or have I done something school boy style?

Thanks
 
  • #34
maths used to get to this point :-

(12L1+9L2)-(12L1+20L2)=3-8

-11L2=-5

L2=-5/11

L2=-0.4545

4L1+3L2=1

4L1+(3*-0.4545)=1

4L1-1.3635=1

4L1=1+1.3635

L1=2.3635/4

L1=0.590875
 
  • #35
waltarno said:
maths used to get to this point :-

(12L1+9L2)-(12L1+20L2)=3-8

-11L2=-5 ← negative on both sides[/color]

L2=-5/11 ← Incorrect sign[/color]

L2=-0.4545

4L1+3L2=1

4L1+(3*-0.4545)=1

4L1-1.3635=1

4L1=1+1.3635

L1=2.3635/4

L1=0.590875
 
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Thanks for the quick reply, obviously didn't spot that!
 

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