Dealing with Input Offset Voltages in Op-Amp Circuits

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around handling input offset voltages in op-amp circuits, particularly in the context of designing a sound level meter. Participants explore calculations related to potential dividers involving both positive and negative voltage supplies and the implications of component choices on output voltage.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their struggle to calculate the circuit by hand after successfully simulating it, noting the use of +&- 9V supply rails.
  • Another participant suggests treating the circuit as a voltage divider between 18V and 0V, then adjusting the output by subtracting 9V.
  • Several participants propose equivalent resistor calculations to simplify the circuit analysis, with specific formulas provided for resistance and voltage output.
  • One participant questions the choice of components, noting that the output voltage calculated does not match the desired -10mV.
  • Another participant explains the purpose of the circuit is to address input offset voltage issues in an op-amp, particularly for achieving a zero voltage output.
  • Concerns are raised about the variability of input offset voltages due to temperature and component differences, prompting a request for the specific op-amp model used.
  • Participants express satisfaction with the circuit's performance in a group project, indicating it functions as intended within a specified dynamic range.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the problem, with no consensus reached on the best method to calculate or address the input offset voltage. Multiple competing views on component choices and calculations remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the complexity of hand calculations versus simulations, and the potential impact of temperature on input offset voltages, indicating that assumptions about component behavior may not be fully resolved.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in op-amp circuit design, particularly those dealing with input offset voltages in audio applications or similar electronic projects.

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Hi first time poster. I'm a little stuck, through trial and error on Mentor graphics I was able to create the attached circuit. Using +&- 9V supply rails I managed to output -10mV, which I required. Now I have come round to try and work it out by hand I'm struggling to remember how! I know that the first part is basically a potential divider but how does this work with a positive and negative voltage?

Any help greatly appreciated
 

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Treat it as a divider between 18V and 0V and then subtract 9V from the output voltage.
 
The two supplies on the left and the two resistors can be replaced with an equivalent single supply and single resistor.

R = 10*8.87/(10+8.87) KOhms

V = (9+9)8.87/(10+8.87) - 9 Volts
 
Phrak said:
The two supplies on the left and the two resistors can be replaced with an equivalent single supply and single resistor.

R = 10*8.87/(10+8.87) KOhms

V = (9+9)8.87/(10+8.87) - 9 Volts

So therefore using this
R = 10*8.87/(10+8.87) KOhms = 4.7KOhms

V = (9+9)8.87/(10+8.87) - 9 Volts = -0.53895V

So then is there some calculation required using the 500K and 1K utilising the -0.53895V to reach the 10mV?

Thanks for your help so far
 
That's an odd combination of components. What's it for?

Vout = -0.539[10/(500 + 4.7 + 10)]

not 10mV, but -10mV
 
Its for an input offset voltage on the non-inverting input of an op-amp to give a zero voltage output. I spent ages designing an RMS circuit for a sound level meter and then I hit this problem. Managed to figure out what offset was required simulated that circuit but then I could remember how to hand calculate!
 
jeuhyis said:
Its for an input offset voltage on the non-inverting input of an op-amp to give a zero voltage output. I spent ages designing an RMS circuit for a sound level meter and then I hit this problem. Managed to figure out what offset was required simulated that circuit but then I could remember how to hand calculate!

Input offset voltages vary with temperature, and from part-to-part. What opamp are you using? There may be a more reliable way to deal with the input offset voltage. Can you post your schematic?
 
berkeman said:
Input offset voltages vary with temperature, and from part-to-part. What opamp are you using? There may be a more reliable way to deal with the input offset voltage. Can you post your schematic?

Here's a screen shot of what I've been designing. I am happy with the overall performance of the circuit, its being used within a group to create a sound level meter, and i have this working as a Type 0 with a 60dB dynamic range.
 

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