Decompose number in Gaussian interger field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the decomposition of numbers into irreducible factors within the Gaussian integer field, specifically focusing on techniques and examples for such decompositions. Participants explore the properties of norms and their implications for factorization.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in decomposing numbers into irreducible factors in the Gaussian integer field and seeks techniques or algorithms for this process.
  • Another participant suggests using the concept of the norm, defined as N(a+bi)=a²+b², and notes its multiplicative property to aid in factorization.
  • An example is provided where the number 13 is factored into Gaussian integers, specifically (3+2i)(3-2i), demonstrating the application of norms.
  • A question is raised about how to determine whether the factors (3+2i) and (3-2i) are irreducible, and whether the factorization process needs to be repeated for these factors.
  • A response indicates that (3+2i) cannot be factored further because its norm, 13, is prime, and any factor of (3+2i) would have a norm dividing 13.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of norms in the factorization process, but the discussion about the irreducibility of specific factors remains open, with further clarification needed on the criteria for irreducibility.

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The discussion does not resolve the question of how to systematically show irreducibility for all Gaussian integers, and there may be missing assumptions regarding the definitions of irreducibility in this context.

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Hi everyone, I always have trouble on decomposing number into irreducible factors inside Gaussian integer field. I keep trying to express number as product as (a+bi)(c+di), and trying to solve a,b,c,d inside of integers (Z), then see if they are irreducibles, which of course end of very messy.

Is there any techniques or algorithms to do these kind of decomposing numbers? Can anyone show me an example please so I may get good idea? Say take a prime 5, try to decompose it into irreducibles in Z

Thanks a lot.
 
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You should use that every gaussian integer has an integer norm, and that the norm is multiplicative. The norm is defined as N(a+bi)=a2+b2.

So if you like to factor the number 13, you first factor its norm 169=13*13, and then look for gaussian integers of norm 13=9+4, so you only need to consider ±3±2i, and ±2±3i, and indeed 13=(3+2i)(3-2i), and this can not be factored further since the norms of the factors are prime.
 
Hi Norwegian, thank you so much for your reply. It is very clear, thank you.

I have another question now, that for example 13=(3+2i)(3-2i), but since my goal is decompose 13 into irreducibles, how do I show (3+2i) and (3-2i) are irreducibles, so they cannot be decomposed further? Do I have to repeat the whole process like how I decomposed 13 to try to decompose (3+2i) and (3-2i) again?

Thanks a lot for your time.
 
As I told you above, 3+2i can not be factored further, since the norm N(3+2i)=13 is a prime in Z, (and any factor of 3+2i would have a norm dividing 13). We don't count the units (norm=1) ±1,±i as factors btw.
 

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