Deducing a Molecular Formula from Mass Spectra

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The discussion revolves around deducing the molecular formula of an oxychloride produced from the reaction of SiCl4 with water, based on mass spectral data. Participants explore the relationships between the number of silicon, chlorine, and oxygen atoms in the compound, using equations derived from the mass spectrum peaks.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests starting with the assumption that silicon is only bonded to oxygen and chlorine, excluding Si-Si and O-Cl bonds, to simplify the equations.
  • Another participant questions the exclusion of Si-Si bonds, arguing that they could be possible.
  • A participant presents equations derived from the mass spectrum, proposing specific values for x, y, and z, which align with their answer key, while acknowledging alternative formulas.
  • Some participants discuss the typical bonding in silicates, noting that silicon atoms are generally connected by oxygen bridges, and that chlorine does not typically link silicon atoms in the same way.
  • Clarifications are sought regarding the derivation of equations, with one participant explaining their reasoning based on structural patterns observed in hypothetical models.
  • Another participant elaborates on the bonding analogy used in their equations, suggesting that while silicon oxychloride is not ionic, similar principles can apply.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the presence of Si-Si and O-Cl bonds, with some arguing for their exclusion while others defend their potential inclusion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact bonding structure and the implications for the molecular formula.

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Participants rely on specific assumptions about bonding and molecular structure, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion includes various interpretations of the equations and bonding scenarios that have not been fully reconciled.

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Homework Statement



When reacted with a small quantity of water, SiCl4 produces an oxychloride X, SixClyOz. The mass spectrum of X shows peaks at mass numbers 133, 149, 247, 263 and 396. You should assume that the species responsible for all these peaks contain the 16O, 35Cl and 28Si isotopes only.

2. The attempt at a solution

The first step is fairly straightforward; the peak responsible for X is the 396 peak. Things start to get a little foggy when finding x, y and z.

##28x + 35y + 16z = 396##

How can I go about solving such an equation without using some sort of time-consuming trial and error method?
 
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I would start assuming Si is bonded only to oxygen and chlorine (no Si-Si bonds) and there are no O-Cl bonds. That should give another equation, so you will be left with two unknowns only.
 
Borek said:
I would start assuming Si is bonded only to oxygen and chlorine (no Si-Si bonds) and there are no O-Cl bonds. That should give another equation, so you will be left with two unknowns only.

I don't see why there can't be Si-Si bonds.
 
MohammedRady97 said:
I don't see why there can't be Si-Si bonds.

Same thing goes for O-Cl bonds.
 
##28x + 35y + 16z = 396##
##x = z+1##
##y = 2x + 2##

Therefore:

##x = 3##
##y = 8##
##z = 2##

Which happens to me the right answer in my answer key. However, Si4Cl4O9 and Si8Cl4O2 are also given as acceptable alternatives.
 
It is not that Si-Si (or O-Cl) bonds are impossible, but in general in silicates silicon atoms are connected by an oxygen "bridge": Si-O-Si. Chlorine can replace oxygen, yielding Si-Cl, but it won't link two Si atoms like oxygen does.

Not sure what your equations are intended to mean. What I was hinting at is that all silicon valences are being used for bonds with oxygen and silicon, so 4x=y+2z.
 
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Borek said:
It is not that Si-Si (or O-Cl) bonds are impossible, but in general in silicates silicon atoms are connected by an oxygen "bridge": Si-O-Si. Chlorine can replace oxygen, yielding Si-Cl, but it won't link two Si atoms like oxygen does.

Not sure what your equations are intended to mean. What I was hinting at is that all silicon valences are being used for bonds with oxygen and silicon, so 4x=y+2z.

Could you please elaborate on how exactly you arrived at this equation? My reasoning was based on drawing a couple of structures wherein Si atoms are joined by O bridges and noticing the pattern of how the number of Si atoms varies with the number of O atoms (##x = z + 1##) and how the number of Cl atoms varies with the number of Si atoms (##y = 2x + 2##).
 
4x is a number of bonds that x atoms of silicone silicone can make. y+2z is number of bonds that y atoms of chlorine and z atoms of oxygen can make. All are used, and as silicon bonds only to oxygen or chlorine, 4x=y+2z.

It is just an analogy, you would use the same formula to describe an ionic compound where Si is always +4, Cl is -1 and oxygen is -2. Silicon oxychloride is not an ionic compound, but the analogy works.
 
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