Definite integral of a quarter circle

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The discussion revolves around finding the definite integral of a quarter circle, specifically related to the equation of a circle given by x² + y² = 10.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the use of trigonometric substitution and question how to evaluate the resulting integrals. There is a suggestion to derive identities related to cosine to assist in the evaluation process.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their attempts and exploring different methods, including trigonometric identities and potential polar coordinate transformations. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of identities, but no consensus on a single approach has emerged.

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There are indications of varying levels of familiarity with trigonometric identities and polar coordinates among participants, which may affect the direction of the discussion.

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Homework Statement



Find the definite integral of a quarter circle.

Homework Equations


x^2 +y^2=10




The Attempt at a Solution


x^2=10-y^2
x=sqrt(10-y^2)

∫ sqrt(10-y^2)dy from 0 to sqrt(10)

I'm not sure what to do here.
 
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Well, it's a circle, so you can probably guess that a factor of ##\pi## should pop out somehow. What kind of substitution do you think that fact might suggest you should use?
 
I guess I should use a trig substitution. 10cos(θ)^2 +10sin(θ)^2=10
√(10) cos(θ) = √(10-10sin(θ)
y=√(10)sin(θ)
∫√(10-(10)sin(θ)) dy
dy=√(10)cos(θ)dθ
∫√(10-(10)sin(θ)) √(10) cos(θ) dθ
∫√(10) cos(θ) √(10) cos(θ) dθ
arcsin(t/sqrt(10))=θ
10 ∫cos(θ)^2 dθ

how do i evaluate that last integral?
 
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Painguy said:
I guess I should use a trig substitution. 10cos(θ)^2 +10sin(θ)^2=10
√(10) cos(θ) = √(10-10sin(θ)
y=√(10)sin(θ)
∫√(10-(10)sin(θ)) dy
dy=√(10)cos(θ)dθ
∫√(10-(10)sin(θ)) √(10) cos(θ) dθ
∫√(10) cos(θ) √(10) cos(θ) dθ
arcsin(t/sqrt(10))=θ
10 ∫cos(θ)^2 dθ

how do i evaluate that last integral?

There's an identity that relates ##\cos^2\theta## to ##\cos(2\theta)##. Do you know it? If not, you can derive it. Consider the double angle formula for cos:

$$\cos(A+B) = \cos A \cos B - \sin A \sin B$$

Pick A and B appropriately and then use Pythagoras' theorem to derive the identity, then plug that into your integral.
 
Mute said:
There's an identity that relates ##\cos^2\theta## to ##\cos(2\theta)##. Do you know it? If not, you can derive it. Consider the double angle formula for cos:

$$\cos(A+B) = \cos A \cos B - \sin A \sin B$$

Pick A and B appropriately and then use Pythagoras' theorem to derive the identity, then plug that into your integral.

cos(2x)=cos^2(x)-1 +cos^2(x)
cos(2x)=2cos^2(x)-1
cos(2x)/2 +1/2

5∫ 1 dθ + ∫ cos(2θ) dθ

5θ + sin(2θ)/2 from 0 to pi/2

5pi/2 ?

Oh man that was not fun. :/ Thanks for your help. I REALLY appreciate it.
 
Painguy said:
cos(2x)=cos^2(x)-1 +cos^2(x)
cos(2x)=2cos^2(x)-1
cos(2x)/2 +1/2

5∫ 1 dθ + ∫ cos(2θ) dθ

5θ + sin(2θ)/2 from 0 to pi/2

5pi/2 ?

Oh man that was not fun. :/ Thanks for your help. I REALLY appreciate it.

Yep, that's the answer! It's easy to check, too: since it's a quarter of a circle of radius ##\sqrt{10}##, you expect the answer to be ##\pi (\sqrt{10})^2/4 = 5\pi/4##, which is what you got.

There's another way to do this which is simpler, but you have to start it off a bit differently than you did, and I didn't know if you've studied polar coordinates or double integrals yet.

You integral is basically

$$\int_0^{\sqrt{10}} dy \int_0^{\sqrt{10-y^2}}dx;$$
doing the x integral gives you the integral you started with. However, converting to polar coordinates ##x = r\cos\theta##, ##y=r\sin\theta##, ##dxdy \rightarrow d\theta dr r## turns the integral into

$$\int_0^{\pi/2} d\theta \int_0^{\sqrt{10}} dr r,$$

which is much easier to do.
 
Painguy said:
cos(2x)=cos^2(x)-1 +cos^2(x)
cos(2x)=2cos^2(x)-1
cos(2x)/2 +1/2

5∫ 1 dθ + ∫ cos(2θ) dθ

5θ + sin(2θ)/2 from 0 to pi/2

5pi/2 ?

Oh man that was not fun. :/ Thanks for your help. I REALLY appreciate it.
Odd. I would have considered that a lot of fun and very satisfying!
 

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