Derivation: Maxwell's equation only from the Lorenz gauge

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The discussion revolves around a derivation of Maxwell's equations purportedly using only the symmetry of second derivatives and the Lorenz gauge condition. Participants explore the implications of this approach, particularly regarding the treatment of magnetic fields and the necessity of gauge fixing.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the derivation results in a divergence-free magnetic field, suggesting that a general derivation should accommodate magnetic monopoles.
  • Another participant argues that the author of the derivation may have assumed the Maxwell equations in their derivation, which they claim cannot be derived as they are fundamental laws of nature.
  • It is proposed that if one postulates the electromagnetic field as the gauge boson of an un-Higgsed U(1) local gauge symmetry, one can derive the Lagrangian leading to Maxwell's equations.
  • A participant expresses skepticism about the clarity of the derivation, suggesting it may not effectively communicate its purpose or audience, and recommends standard textbooks instead.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of the derivation and whether it appropriately uses the Maxwell equations. There is no consensus on the effectiveness or clarity of the derivation presented.

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Some participants note that the derivation may rely on assumptions about the Maxwell equations and gauge transformations, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Hi.

Here, somebody apparently derives Maxwell's equations using only symmetry of second derivatives and the Lorenz gauge condition. Unfortunately it's in German, but I think the basic ideas are clear from the maths only.

In this derivation, the magnetic field turns out to be divergence-free, even before the application of the gauge condition. Why? Shouldn't such a general derivation allow for magnetic monopoles?

Also, it seems a bit suspicious that this derivation only works by fixing a specific gauge. How can this be the same as usual ED which allows different gauges?
 
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I think, in this derivation the author used already what he claims to derive. Usually you start from the Maxwell equations, which cannot be derived, because they are a fundamental law of Nature. The homogeneous Maxwell equations are constraints, involving only the field (with its electric an magnetic components) and thus can be substituted by using a four-vector potential (or in (3+1)D language a scalar and a vector potential), which however is only defined modulo a gauge transformation since electromagnetism turns out to be a gauge theory.

If, on the other hand, you make the postulate that the electromagnetic field is the gauge boson of an un-Higgsed U(1) local gauge symmetry you can almost without much further input guess the Lagrangian and thus Maxwell's equations. The only allowed terms in the Lagrangian are such that lead to gauge invariant terms in the action. Then by power counting the leading term must lead to the free Maxwell equations. Then you can also couple a conserved U(1) current to get the equation with sources.
 
vanhees71 said:
I think, in this derivation the author used already what he claims to derive.
Can you see where exactly they did that?
 
Well, I've no clue what the author is really aiming at, but obviously he assumes to know the Maxwell equations and then uses the potentials in the usual way to eliminate the homogeneous Maxwell equations. As I said, I think he simply used the Maxwell equations to derive the Maxwell equations in terms of the potentials in Lorenz gauge, but writes it down in an ununderstandable way. I've no clue, what this webpage is good for and to whom it may be aimed. I'd recommend to read a standard textbook on the subject. Since obviously you understand German, my recommendation for theoretical physics is

M. Bartelmann, B. Feuerbacher, T. Krüger, D. Lüst, A. Rebhan, and A. Wipf, Theoretische Physik, Springer-Verlag, Berlin, Heidelberg, 2015.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/978-3-642-54618-1
 

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