Derivative implicit differentiation problem

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the derivative dy/dx for the curve defined by the equation 2(x+1)^(tanx)=(y^2)cosx+y, focusing on implicit differentiation techniques and algebraic manipulation challenges.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the natural logarithm to both sides of the equation but encounters algebraic difficulties. They express uncertainty about their approach to implicit differentiation and the natural log rules.
  • Some participants question the application of logarithmic properties, suggesting that the original poster may have misapplied the natural log in their differentiation process.
  • Others suggest using a different form for differentiating the expression (x+1)^(tan(x)) to clarify the process.
  • There are inquiries about the placement of dy/dx in the differentiation process and the correct interpretation of the resulting expressions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and clarifications on the differentiation process. There is no explicit consensus yet, but some guidance has been offered regarding the correct application of logarithmic properties and differentiation techniques.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating potential misunderstandings related to implicit differentiation rules and the manipulation of logarithmic expressions. There is a focus on ensuring clarity in the algebraic steps involved in the differentiation process.

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Homework Statement



Consider the curve satisfying the equation 2(x+1)^(tanx)=(y^2)cosx+y and find dy/dx

Homework Equations


(tanx)'=sec^2x
(lnx)'=1/x

The Attempt at a Solution



I've tried taking the natural log of both sides and then taking d/dx of both sides but something seems to go wrong with my algebra each time.. that or I'm getting confused about my natural log / implicit differentiation rules. I'm not actually sure if I'm approaching the problem correctly but here's one of the many attempts I've made:

ln2 + tanxln(x+1) = 2lny + lncosx + lny(??)
1/2 + sec^2xln(x+1) + tanx(1/x+1) = 2y'/y + sin(x)/cos(x) + y'/y
something should already be wrong so i won't post the rest of the work but i know the answer is supposed to be dy/dx = [2(x+1)^(tanx)[sec^2xln(x+1)+(tanx)/(x+1)]+(y^2)(sinx)]/ all over (2ycosx+1). Need help getting there, thanks!
 
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It looks like you tried to distribute the natural log over addition, which doesn't work. The left hand side is fine, but the right hand side should be
\ln (y^2 \cos(x) + y)
Or I suppose you could divide out the y from the original expression, but that won't really help, seeing as you'd just have to combine the two fractions you get after differentiating.
 
The hard part for you seems to be differentiating (x+1)^tan(x). f(x)^g(x)=e^(ln(f(x))*g(x)) since f(x)=e^(ln(f(x)). Try differentiating it in that form.
 
Once I have the right side down to 1/y^2(cosx+y) [?] how do I find dy/dx?
 
laylas said:
Once I have the right side down to 1/y^2(cosx+y) [?] how do I find dy/dx?

If you have the right side down to " 1/y^2(cosx+y) " ... Where did dy/dx go, and what is in the numerator & what in the denominator?

By the way: 1/y^2(cosx+y) literally is the same as (cosx+y)/y2 . It helps to use enough parentheses to say what you mean
 

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