Derivative of an imaginary exponential

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The discussion revolves around taking the derivative of an imaginary exponential function, specifically e^((x^2)/i). The original poster seeks assistance with this derivative in the context of a more complex problem involving expectation values in quantum mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the chain rule and u-substitution for derivatives. Some express concern about the complexity of the overall problem and the challenges of applying these methods consistently. Questions arise regarding the handling of imaginary components in the calculations.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing dialogue about the derivative process, with some participants offering guidance on the steps involved. The original poster expresses frustration with an imaginary component in their results, indicating that the discussion is still active and exploratory.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific constants and variables relevant to quantum mechanics, such as hbar and the momentum operator, which may influence the calculations. There is also a reference to the expectation value for momentum, suggesting a broader context for the problem being discussed.

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Does anyone know how to take the derivative of e^((x^2)/i)?

Thanks in advance!
 
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The derivative of eu is eudu

If u = x^2/i, find du. Substitute u and du, and you're done.

- Warren
 
Bleh ya, alright, i was hoping there was a shortcut. The actual problem is much nastier, and the u substitution is giong to be hard to apply throughout.

Thanks man!
 
It isn't a very lengthy procedure.. you just have to find the derivative of u=x^2/i, which should take you only a minute, then plug it into eudu.

Do you need help with the actual problem?

- Warren
 
ya actually that would be good, I am still getting an imaginary left over in my <p>.

I'm trying to take a expectation value for momentum, the operator is h/i(d/dx) (hbar that is) and the actual thing I am taking the derivative of is this

e^(-(ax^2)/(1+2ihat/m)) (all constants except for x) and doing what you just told me i get:

du=(-2am^2x)/(4a^2h^2t^2+m^2)+(4ia^2hmxt)/(4a^2h^2t^2+m^2)

there is also a sqrt(1+2hiat/m) under the exponential, but i want to leave that alone so i can take the intergral of x*(wavefn)^2, (the wavefn^2 i calculated in a different part of the problem, and a constant w came out of it that i need to keep everythign in terms of for this part)

So I am left with an i in my expectation value for my momentum, which is wrong :(
 
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Are you taking the derivative of u with respect to x or t or m? I can't see how you got your du.

- Warren
 
x, and my calculator did it :D
 
it hasent failed me in the past, i can try doing it out by hand though to be sure
 
actually, i have no clue why it got all that
 
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well in any case I am still stuck with an imaginary momentum
 
  • #11
apparently <p^2>=a*(hbar)^2 LOL maybe ill try and work towards that, and see what to do, it says itll take a lot of alegbra to get it to that form though!
 
  • #12
still looking like an i is going to follow through, ill just go annoy the gsi (TA) about it, thanks for your help tho
 

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