Derivative of an inverse function

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The discussion revolves around the derivative of an inverse function, specifically focusing on the function f(x) = cosh^2(x) + sinh(2x) and its inverse g(y). Participants explore the relationship between the derivatives of these functions and the challenges encountered when attempting to integrate to find the inverse.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the function f(x) and its derivative, then attempts to find the inverse g(y) and its derivative g'(y), leading to confusion about the integration process.
  • Another participant points out that the integration approach may not yield the inverse function due to incorrect variable substitution, suggesting that the relation y = g(x) should be used instead.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about why g(y) does not appear to be the inverse of f(x) and question the integration of 1/f'(g(y)) to recover g(y).
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of correctly relating x and y in the context of the inverse function, noting that using g'(y) = 1/f'(x) requires understanding the relationship between x and y as defined by f(x).
  • Another participant reiterates that integrating 1/f'(y) does not lead to g(y), indicating a misunderstanding in the integration process.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the correct approach to finding the inverse function and the integration process. There is no consensus on the resolution of the confusion surrounding the derivative of the inverse function.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for careful attention to variable relationships and the implications of integrating functions of different variables. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainty about the correct method for deriving the inverse function.

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f(x) = cosh^2(x)+sinh(2x) = y
f'(x) = sinh(2x)+2cosh(2x) = 3e^(2x) + e^(-x) = y'

Let g(y) be the inverse of f(x):
g'(y) = 1 / f'(x) = 1 / [3e^(2y) + e^(-2y)] = e^(2y) / [4e^(2y) + 1]

Integrating gives: [ 3^(1/2)/3 ]*arctan[ 3^(1/2) * e^(2y) ] + C

Now when I plotted this function it looked in no way like the inverse of f(x), so where have I gone wrong?

Thank you :smile:
 
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JanClaesen said:
Let g(y) be the inverse of f(x):
g'(y) = 1 / f'(x) = 1 / [3e^(2y) + e^(-2y)] = e^(2y) / [4e^(2y) + 1]


you just replaced y by x. What you have to do is use the relation y = g(x), where g is the inverse of f. Given your definition of f it might be hard to find an expression for this inverse:smile:
 
Hello :smile:
I don't understand why g(y) isn't the inverse?
f: x -> y and g: y -> x
I still don't understand why integrating 1/f'(g(y)) doesn't yield me g(y) :smile:
 
JanClaesen said:
Let g(y) be the inverse of f(x):
g'(y) = 1 / f'(x) = 1 / [3e^(2y) + e^(-2y)] = e^(2y) / [4e^(2y) + 1]
This is incorrect. Although you write g'(y)=1/f'(x), you are just using g'(y)=1/f'(y).

As said above, you should be using g'(y)=1/f'(x) where x and y are such that y=f(x)! The relation between x and y is crucial.
 
JanClaesen said:
g'(y) = 1 / f'(x) = 1 / [3e^(2y) + e^(-2y)] = e^(2y) / [4e^(2y) + 1]

To clarify what was said before, how is f'(x), a function of x, expressed completely in terms of y?

You should have g'(y) = 1/[3e^(2x) + e^(-2x)] = e^(2x)/(4e^(2x) + 1)

In which case your integration tricks won't work.
 
JanClaesen said:
Hello :smile:
I don't understand why g(y) isn't the inverse?
f: x -> y and g: y -> x
I still don't understand why integrating 1/f'(g(y)) doesn't yield me g(y) :smile:

That would be true. However, you seem to have tried to integrate 1/f'(y) to recover g and that does not work.
 

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