Derivative of energy is force?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between energy, force, and mass in physics, particularly through the lens of kinetic energy and Einstein's equation E=mc². It clarifies that the derivative of kinetic energy with respect to displacement yields force, demonstrating that force is the rate of change of energy. The conversation also addresses misconceptions about mass increasing with speed, emphasizing that while momentum increases as one approaches the speed of light, mass itself does not convert from force. The significance of these concepts lies in their applications in understanding motion and energy conservation. Overall, the thread highlights fundamental principles of mechanics and relativity in physics.
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Why is the derivative of energy force? For example: KE=1/2mv^2 the derivative of which, assuming mass is held constant is KE'= ma. Why is this? What is the significance of this? What are some applications of this?

Additionally, Einstein's famous equation, E=mc^2, relates mass with energy. Does this mean as you approach the speed of light, that force is actually converted into mass? For example, if you have a mass of 1kg traveling with an acceleration of 299,000,000m/s and you double the force (which is 299,000,000N times 2) that some of the force is actually transformed into mass?
 
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physicsisfeyn said:
Why is the derivative of energy force? For example: KE=1/2mv^2 the derivative of which, assuming mass is held constant is KE'= ma.

nooo … derivative of momentum is force: d(mv)/dt = ma

d(1/2 mv2)/dt = mv dv/dt = mva

if you mean d(1/2 mv2)/dv, that's momentum, mv (and the meaning is that the laws of physics are invariant under a change of velocity of the observer, so differentiating the conservation of energy wrt v must still give a conservation equation, and the only one left is momentum!)

i don't see any way of getting ma from 1/2 mv2 :confused:
Additionally, Einstein's famous equation, E=mc^2, relates mass with energy. Does this mean as you approach the speed of light, that force is actually converted into mass?

no, e = mc² has nothing to do with the speed of light, the c² has no physical significance: it is simply the conversion factor between J and kg

if energy was measured in light-kilograms (in the same way that distance can be measured in light-years), then the conversion factor would be unnecessary, and the formula would be e = m :wink:
 
Derivative of Energy or Work with respect to displacement s yields force. This is from the definition of work as integral of force over distance s and the basic theorem of calculus.

In the case of kinetic energy taking direvative wrt to s and have in mind that v=ds/dt we have dE/ds=mvdv/ds=mv(dv/dt)(dt/ds)=mavdt/ds=ma.
 
F = dU/dx

and F = dP / dt
 
Okay.

So am I wrong in thinking that mass increases with speed? If so, what happens when you approach the speed of light? If you're right at the barrier, say .9999c, and you double the force, what happens?
 
you can keep increasing the momentum indefinitely

the momentum is m0v/√(1 - v2/c2), which "approaches infinity" as v approaches c …

loosely speaking, doubling the momentum gets you twice as close to c :wink:
 
force times distance = energy
 


tiny-tim said:
i don't see any way of getting ma from 1/2 mv2 :confused:

As somebody else said the derivative of energy with respect to distance is force

Keep it simple and assume the mass stays constant:

d/dx (m v^2 / 2)
= m/2 d/dx (dx/dt)^2
= m/2 dt/dx d/dt (dx/dt)^2
= m/2 dt/dx (2 dx/dt) d^2x/dt^2
= m d^2x/dt^2
= ma

For example the energy stored in a spring = 1/2 K x^2
and the force in the spring = d/dx (1/2 K x^2) = Kx
 

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