Derivative of ln[((x2+1).5) / x(2x3-1)2]

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the natural logarithm of a complex expression involving polynomial functions and their operations. The subject area includes calculus, specifically differentiation and the application of logarithmic properties.

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  • Participants express uncertainty about how to begin the differentiation process and suggest using logarithmic properties to simplify the expression before applying the chain rule. There is mention of the derivative of ln(x) and its application to a function of x, prompting discussions on the chain rule and bookkeeping involved in differentiation.

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Several participants have provided insights on using logarithmic identities to simplify the problem, indicating a productive direction in the discussion. However, there is no explicit consensus on a single approach, as different methods are being considered.

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Some participants note the complexity of the expression and the potential for a simpler approach, while others emphasize the necessity of careful differentiation due to the nature of the function involved.

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Homework Statement


Find f' of ln[((x2+1).5) / x(2x3-1)2]


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The Attempt at a Solution


I know the derivative of ln(x) is 1/x... however I don't know how to start this particular problem. I think there is a easier way to solve this without trying to solve the derivative of [((x2+1).5) / x(2x3-1)2]..?
 
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lude1 said:

Homework Statement


Find f' of ln[((x2+1).5) / x(2x3-1)2]


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I know the derivative of ln(x) is 1/x... however I don't know how to start this particular problem. I think there is a easier way to solve this without trying to solve the derivative of [((x2+1).5) / x(2x3-1)2]..?

You need to use the chain rule. And I don't think there is an "easy" way to do this (i.e. a shortcut). You just need to do a lot of bookkeeping.

Also although you are correct to say that d/dx [ln(x)] = 1/x, that does not really help since the argument of the log function is not 'x' it is a function of x. So we say that if 'u' is a function of x, then d/dx [ln(u)] = 1/u *du/dx.

That is the chain rule applied to the natural log function.
 
Use the laws of logarithms:

\ln\left[\frac{(x^2+ 1)^{.5}}{x(2x^3-1)^2}\right]= .5 ln(x^2+ 1)- ln(x)- 2ln(2x^3- 1)

That's a little easier to differentiate.
 
lude1 said:

Homework Statement


Find f' of ln[((x2+1).5) / x(2x3-1)2]


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I know the derivative of ln(x) is 1/x... however I don't know how to start this particular problem. I think there is a easier way to solve this without trying to solve the derivative of [((x2+1).5) / x(2x3-1)2]..?
Before differentiating, use the properties of logs so that instead of the log of a quotient, you're working with a difference of logs. You will need to use the chain rule when you actually start differentiating.
 
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