# Derivative of Trigonometric Functions

thatguythere

## Homework Statement

d/dx(sec(x)/1+tan(x)
Evaluate at x=∏/6

## The Attempt at a Solution

((1/cos(x))(1+tan(x))-(sec(x))(sin(x)/cos(x)))/(1+tan(x))^2

((1/cos(x))-(sec(x))(sin(x)/cos(x)))/(1+tan(x))

I used the quotient rule and reduced what I could. Have I done this right and can I go any further before evaluating? Thank you.

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No, that's not correct. Applying the quotient rule involves taking some derivatives. It doesn't appear you've done that.

thatguythere
Of course I have. 1/cos(x) is the derivative of sec(x) and (sin(x)/cos(x)) is the derivative of (1+tan(x)) are they not?

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No, they're not.

thatguythere
Right, they are not. Hahaha. Don't mind my red cheeks.

thatguythere
=((1+tanx)(secxtanx)-(secx)(sec^2x))/(1+tanx)2
=(secxtanx+secxtan^2x-sec^3x)/(1+tanx)2

Is this looking any closer to a correct answer?

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Yup!

thatguythere
Is this as far as it goes? Can it be simplified any more?

Mentor
Of course I have. 1/cos(x) is the derivative of sec(x) and (sin(x)/cos(x)) is the derivative of (1+tan(x)) are they not?

I realize that you already recognized that these are wrong, but I thought it worth mentioning why they were wrong.

sec(x) = 1/cos(x) - This is an identity and is how the secant function is defined. It has nothing to do with derivatives.

tan(x) = sin(x)/cos(x) - This is also an identity and is how the tangent function is defined. This is unrelated to derivatives.

thatguythere
Yes, I was simply confusing myself. As far as my current work, can it be simplified any more?

Mentor
Yes, I was simply confusing myself. As far as my current work, can it be simplified any more?
You might be able to, but what's the point? Just go ahead and evaluate it now at x = ##\pi/6##.

thatguythere
((2/√3)(√3/3)+((2/√3)(1/3))-(8/3^(3/2)))/(4/3)+((2√3)/3)
=(2/9+2/(3√3)-8/(3^3/2))/((2(2√3+1))/3√3)

thatguythere
Can anyone tell me if I am on the right track please?

Mentor
Can anyone tell me if I am on the right track please?

=((1+tanx)(secxtanx)-(secx)(sec^2x))/(1+tanx)2
=(secxtanx+secxtan^2x-sec^3x)/(1+tanx)2
The above is fine, but what you have below is difficult to read, especially what you have on the right side of the =. Please simplify it.

((2/√3)(√3/3)+((2/√3)(1/3))-(8/3^(3/2)))/(4/3)+((2√3)/3)
=(2/9+2/(3√3)-8/(3^3/2))/((2(2√3+1))/3√3)

thatguythere
Let's try this

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thatguythere
Oh I guess I could change the term in the denominator to 4/3.

thatguythere
Bump.

Mentor
In the 3rd line of your attachment, the sign of the last term mysteriously changed.