Derivatives of Square Root Functions: Understanding the Chain Rule

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the chain rule in calculus, specifically in differentiating the square root function ƒ(x) = sqrt(1-sin(x)). Participants express confusion regarding the correct simplification and differentiation process, exploring the nuances of fractional powers and the chain rule.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about applying the chain rule to the function ƒ(x) = sqrt(1-sin(x)) and attempts to simplify it incorrectly.
  • Another participant challenges the simplification, asserting that ƒ(x) = 1-sin(x)^(1/2) is not equivalent to the original function.
  • A later reply clarifies that the correct form should be ƒ(x) = (1-sin(x))^(1/2) and suggests using the chain rule to differentiate it.
  • Participants discuss the differentiation process, with one suggesting to express the function in terms of u = 1-sin(x) and finding dy/du and du/dx.
  • There is a mention of the derivative of 1-sin(x) being -cos(x), leading to further clarification on the differentiation steps.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the simplification of the function. There are competing views on the correct approach to differentiate the function, with some participants correcting earlier claims without establishing a definitive resolution.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the interpretation of simplifications and the differentiation process, particularly in the context of fractional powers and the application of the chain rule.

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I'm kind of confused about how to approach a function with the chain rule.

For example in the equation ƒ(x) = sqrt(1-sin(x)) I know i simplify it to ƒ(x) = 1-sin(x)^(1/2) but I'm lost from there.
 
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What are you trying to accomplish? The "simplification" you give doesn't make any sense.
 
unf0r5ak3n said:
I'm kind of confused about how to approach a function with the chain rule.

For example in the equation ƒ(x) = sqrt(1-sin(x)) I know i simplify it to ƒ(x) = 1-sin(x)^(1/2) but I'm lost from there.

From the title of your post I'm guessing you want to find f'(x). Your simplification isn't quite correct. Don't you mean ƒ(x) = (1-sin(x))^(1/2)? Fractional powers are treated the same as integer powers when it comes to differentiation. I presume you know how to differentiate y = x3. Use the exact same methodology to differentiate y = x1/2.
 
mathman said:
What are you trying to accomplish? The "simplification" you give doesn't make any sense.

sorry I meant equivalent to
 
unf0r5ak3n said:
sorry I meant equivalent to
I don't know what "equivalent to" means either in this context. However sqrt(1-sin(x)) is just different from 1-sin(x)^(1/2). There is no way to equate these two expressions.
 
The point being that 1- sin(x)^{1/2}\ne (1- sin(x))^{1/2}.

Write (1- sin(x))^{1/2} as y= u^{1/2} with u= 1- sin(x). Can you find dy/du and du/dx?

\frac{dy}{dx}= \frac{dy}{du}\frac{du}{dx}
 
if u = 1-sin(x) then du/dx = (1/2)u
 
If f(x)= u^n then f’(x)= (n)u^(n-1)u’
so
If f(x)= (1-sinx)^1/2 then f’(x)= (1/2)(1-sinx)^(-1/2)(-cosx)
 
unf0r5ak3n said:
if u = 1-sin(x) then du/dx = (1/2)u
?? I was under the impression that the derivative of 1- sin(x) was -cos(x).
 

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