Derive The Transfer Function from First Principles

In summary, the conversation is about a person seeking help with deriving the Transfer Function of a circuit. They are asked if they have learned about basic circuit analysis and series and parallel combinations. The person mentions that this is for a course in Signal Analysis and will post the problem in a homework forum. Another person suggests a method to solve the problem and advises the person to also learn basic circuits as it will be useful in their career. They recommend using Khan Academy to learn basic circuits.
  • #1
optically challenged
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All,

I need help deriving the Transfer Function of this circuit from first principles.

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  • #2
Do you consider Ohm's Law first principle ?
 
  • #3
anorlunda said:
Do you consider Ohm's Law first principle ?
Yes
 
  • #4
Ok, have you learned about basic circuit analysis, series and parallel combinations?

If this is homework, it should be posted in the homework forum and use the template.
 
  • #5
In short, No. No intro of circuit analysis and parallel/series combinations. Basically given this with one previous example and told to go figure it out. This is for a course in Signal Analysis.

Thanks Anorlunda, I will post it there.
 
  • #6
Simplest way to attack this (i.e. how I would attack a similar problem at work).

1. Replace all devices with a general impedance (call it, for example, Z, so R1 = Z1, R2 = Z2, L = Z3, C = Z4.)
2. Solve the now trivial three-node voltage divider problem using KCL.
3. Replace all the Zs with their actual impedences (e.g. Z1 = R1, Z2 = R2, Z3 = sL, Z4 = 1/sC)
4. Simplify the expression and you're done!
 
  • #7
That's not nice for the teacher to give you that problem without the proper background.

If you are only interested in this problem, use @analogdesign 's advice in post #6. But basic circuits is something you'll surely need in your career. It is worth your time to learn it. A very effective and fast way to learn is using Khan Academy. It takes less than 5 hours there to learn a whole basic circuits course.

https://www.khanacademy.org/science/physics/circuits-topic#circuits-resistance
 
  • #8
Schoolwork thread in the EE forum is closed.
 

1. What is the purpose of deriving the transfer function from first principles?

The transfer function is a mathematical representation of a system's input-output behavior. By deriving it from first principles, we can understand the underlying physical principles that govern the system's behavior and use it to predict and analyze the system's response to different inputs.

2. What are first principles and how are they used in deriving the transfer function?

First principles refer to the fundamental physical laws and equations that describe a system's behavior. In deriving the transfer function, we use these principles to construct a mathematical model that relates the input and output of the system. This model is then simplified and transformed to obtain the transfer function.

3. What are the steps involved in deriving the transfer function from first principles?

The first step is to identify the physical laws and equations that govern the system's behavior. Next, we construct a mathematical model based on these principles. This model is then simplified using techniques such as Laplace transforms and block diagrams. Finally, we manipulate the simplified model to obtain the transfer function.

4. What are the advantages of deriving the transfer function from first principles?

Deriving the transfer function from first principles allows us to gain a deeper understanding of the system's behavior and dynamics. It also enables us to predict and analyze the system's response to different inputs and design controllers to achieve desired outputs. Additionally, it provides a more accurate and reliable representation of the system compared to empirical models.

5. Are there any limitations to deriving the transfer function from first principles?

While deriving the transfer function from first principles can provide a more accurate and fundamental understanding of the system, it can also be a complex and time-consuming process. It requires a strong understanding of mathematical concepts and the ability to apply them to physical systems. Additionally, the resulting transfer function may still contain simplifications and assumptions that may not accurately represent the real-world behavior of the system.

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