Deriving electrodynamic equations

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The discussion focuses on deriving electrodynamic equations in a college physics course, specifically from the relationship Va-Vb=∫E ds. Participants confirm that many equations can be derived from Maxwell's Equations using vector calculus, though basic calculus is a prerequisite. Gauss's Law is highlighted as derivable through the divergence theorem and the relationship between electric displacement and charge density. The electric field can be expressed as the gradient of electric potential, leading to the conclusion that the line integral of the electric field is path-independent. The conversation concludes with a participant expressing gratitude for the helpful insights provided.
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Hey all. I am taking my second college physics course (electromagnetic physics) and am looking for some help deriving the equations. I found it very helpful to know how to derive many of the equations in my first physics course. So far we have studied e fields, guass's law, capacitors, resisters, potential, and power. The equations are beginning to pile up. My professor said they can all be derived from Va-Vb=∫E ds

Is he accurate?
 
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They can all pretty much be derived from the Maxwell Equations with sufficient knowledge of vector calculus.
 
I am in vector calculus as well, but is it really necessary to derive them that way? Basic calculus is the only prerequisite for the course. Does anyone know how to derive them from ∫E ds
 
The equation you gave is merely a definition of the voltage, I don't think you can "derive" Gauss's law from that.

Which equations specifically are you trying to derive?
 
tempneff said:
I am in vector calculus as well, but is it really necessary to derive them that way? Basic calculus is the only prerequisite for the course. Does anyone know how to derive them from ∫E ds

That would be vector calculus. Gauss' Law is
\nabla \cdot \mathbf{D} = \rho
Taking the integral over volumetric space and using the divergence theorem,
\int \mathbf{D} \cdot d \mathbf{S} = \int \rho dV = Q_{enclosed}
If we assume a homogeneous medium then finally,
\int \mathbf{E} \cdot d \mathbf{S} = \frac{Q_{enclosed}}{\epsilon}


Now in electrostatics, Maxwell's Equations state that the curl of the electric field is zero. That is,
\nabla \times \mathbf{E} = 0
This allows us to represent the electric field as the gradient of a scalar since the curl of a gradient is always zero. Thus, we choose this scalar to be the electric potential.
\mathbf{E} = -\nabla V
If we take the line integral of the electric field from some point B to A we get via the gradient theorem,
\int_b^a \mathbf{E} \cdot d\mathbf{\ell} = V_b - V_a
which is path independent because the electrostatic field is conservative (by virtue of being curl free). Finally, we can use Gauss' Law to see that
\nabla^2 V = -\frac{\rho}{\epsilon}
which is Poisson's Equation.
 
Excellent that's helpful! Thank you
 
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