Deriving the Value of the Sum in {_\lim {i} \rightarrow 0}

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The discussion focuses on deriving the value of the sum related to the length of a curve defined by f(x) = x^n as i approaches 0. Participants explore the use of the binomial theorem for simplification, with one contributor rewriting the equation to facilitate analysis. It is suggested that the limit converges to nx^(n-1) for specific values of k, although there is uncertainty about the convergence of the overall sum. Additionally, there is a debate about whether the expression involving x can yield integer results, with some asserting that x must be complex for integer outcomes. The conversation also includes guidance on using LaTeX for mathematical expressions in forum posts.
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Given the sum
{_\lim {i} \rightarrow 0} \sum_{k=0}^{\frac{x}{i} - 1} i\sqrt{1 + i^{2n-2}((k+1)^{n} - k^{n})^{2}}
I want to know how to derive to the value of this sum exactly. This is actually the value of the lenghts of a curve from a point to the origin of the form f(x) = x^n... I thought the binominal theorem can be used, but i can't develop on this further more. Anyone is capable of showing to what value this converges?
 
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Werg22 said:
Given the sum
{_\lim {i} \rightarrow 0} \sum_{k=0}^{\frac{x}{i} - 1} i\sqrt{1 + i^{2n-2}((k+1)^{n} - k^{n})^{2}}
I want to know how to derive to the value of this sum exactly. This is actually the value of the lenghts of a curve from a point to the origin of the form f(x) = x^n... I thought the binominal theorem can be used, but i can't develop on this further more. Anyone is capable of showing to what value this converges?
I'll give this a go. The added bonus is if I'm wrong one of the more math-y people in here is bound to catch my mistake :)
What I first did is rewrote your equation like this:
{_\lim {i} \rightarrow 0} \sum_{k=0}^{\frac{x}{i} - 1} i\sqrt{1 + (i^{n-1}((k+1)^{n} - k^{n}))^{2}}
Now look at i^{n-1}((k+1)^{n} - k^{n}). What value does this converge to as i-> 0 and if k = \frac{x}{i}-1? Do a binomial expansion and you will get an open form of something like i^{n-1}(((\frac{x}{i})^{n} - ((\frac{x}{i})^{n} - n(\frac{x}{i})^{n-1} - o(n-2)))) where o(n-2) is something that isn't particularly relevant to the answer that is of order n-2. I think you will find that for this particular value of k (and in fact all k) if you work out say k = \frac{x}{i}-2 and so on that you will find the limit always converges to the same value: nx^{n-1}, so the sum simplifies somewhat to {_\lim {i} \rightarrow 0} \sum_{k=0}^{\frac{x}{i} - 1} i\sqrt{1 + (nx^{n-1})^{2}}

Edit: It certainly doesn't converge. I eliminated the iterated variable k entirely, I don't really know what to make of that sum to be honest. I'll re-edit this tomorrow with maybe something.
 
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Werg22 said:
Given the sum
{_\lim {i} \rightarrow 0} \sum_{k=0}^{\frac{x}{i} - 1} i\sqrt{1 + i^{2n-2}((k+1)^{n} - k^{n})^{2}}
I want to know how to derive to the value of this sum exactly. This is actually the value of the lenghts of a curve from a point to the origin of the form f(x) = x^n... I thought the binominal theorem can be used, but i can't develop on this further more. Anyone is capable of showing to what value this converges?

Shouldn't \frac{x}{i} - 1 be an integer?
 
it can be an integer

certainly not (unless it is not mentioned that x is complex).it can be proved .by solving we get x-1\i.further xi + 1\-1. if x is not complex the expression will never be integer . x has to be an complex which is raised to an odd no: (which is quiet easy to understand )it also depends on the coefficient of x(x=ai ) then if a is any real number then then it depends on what a is .i think i am right .if wrong please send me a reply and also tell how u tpye equations in forums
 
We use latex code to type equations in the forums: to see the latex code that generated a particular math expression, double click on it. Oh, and here is a link to the ever handy LaTeX code reference.

shravan said:
certainly not (unless it is not mentioned that x is complex).it can be proved .by solving we get x-1\i.further xi + 1\-1. if x is not complex the expression will never be integer . x has to be an complex which is raised to an odd no: (which is quiet easy to understand )it also depends on the coefficient of x(x=ai ) then if a is any real number then then it depends on what a is .i think i am right .if wrong please send me a reply and also tell how u tpye equations in forums

And as to my question, it was rhetorical.
 
i am sorry. i did not see what u wrote before but ur last line caught my attention. thanks for guidelines to type equations.
 
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