DE's in circuit analysis question

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The discussion revolves around constructing and solving differential equations for an RC circuit involving switches and a voltage source. Participants are exploring the application of circuit analysis principles, particularly in the context of a "Signals and Systems" course, where the original poster expresses uncertainty about the necessary steps to derive the equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster presents a differential equation derived from KVL for the circuit when SW1 is open and SW2 is closed, expressing it in terms of y, y0, and tau.
  • Some participants seek clarification on notation, specifically the meaning of "=>" and the use of tau (τ) in the equations.
  • There is a discussion about whether the expression should be y0 = tau(dydt) + y or if it should be corrected to tau(dydt) + y = V0.
  • One participant suggests that the circuit's behavior when SW1 closes and SW2 opens needs to be sketched for better understanding.
  • Another participant asserts that there is current running in the circuit and that both KVL and KCL should be applied to analyze the situation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the circuit analysis and the correct formulation of the differential equations. There is no consensus on the correct approach or the interpretation of the equations presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the original poster's lack of background in circuit analysis, which may affect their ability to construct the necessary differential equations. The presence of an attached circuit diagram is noted as potentially critical for clarity, but its absence in earlier posts led to confusion.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students studying circuit analysis, particularly those encountering RC circuits in the context of signals and systems, as well as those seeking clarification on the application of KVL and KCL in circuit problems.

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The question that I'm having trouble with involves an RC circuit with a wire down the middle and two switches, I've attached a picture of it.

There are two parts to the question and it's the second part of it I'm having trouble understanding but I'll put in the first one for context anyway:
Denote the signal vc by 'y' and denote y(0) = vc(0)=>v0 and tao=>RC. Write the differential equation governing the system in terms of y, y0 and tao when SW1 is open and SW2 is closed.

I assumed this was standard KVL in a loop with just a few variables replaced for naming conventions. So my own result for this question is:

V0 = iR + vc => V0 = RC(dvcdt) + vc => y0 = tao(dydt) + y

I'm hoping I'm not wrong yet. The second question is what has me stumped due to this being a "Signals and Systems" subject my classes do not go in depth into circuit analysis as it was recommended background knowledge (which I don't seem to have).

Now assume that at t = 0, SW1 closes and SW2 opens. Write down and solve the DE for this situation to obtain an analytic expression for y(t), assuming y(0) = v0 >0. This expression is known as the natural response.

If you can see the circuit that's attached I'm really not sure where to start when the voltage source isn't connected on both ends. Do I use KVL? KCL? Is there current actually running in this situation? If not how exactly do I construct the necessary DE's. I'm fine with solving them but if someone could help me understand how to construct the DE's I would be very grateful.

If I've left out anything that would help please let me know, it's my first time posting on these forums.
EDIT: forgot to upload picture so sorry

Homework Equations


i = C dvdt
 

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There is no attached picture.

What does "=>" represent?

And do you mean the letter ##\tau## (tau)?
"dvcdt" is dV/dt?
V0 = RC(dvcdt) + vc => y0 = tao(dydt) + y
I don't understand what you did there, but maybe the attachment makes it clear.

Now assume that at t = 0, SW1 closes and SW2 opens.
That needs a sketch of the setup.
 
Really sorry about that, the picture didn't get uploaded but it's there now, hope it gives you gives you better context and I did mean tau (didn't know it was spelt like that). dvcdt is just dV/dt as you said, but the voltage in the capacitor's voltage specifically not the source's.
 
Okay. tau(dydt) + y should be V0 then, not y0.

If you can see the circuit that's attached I'm really not sure where to start when the voltage source isn't connected on both ends.
There is a wire connected to both ends. A wire is like a voltage source with 0V, if you like.
Do I use KVL? KCL?
Both.
Is there current actually running in this situation?
Sure.
 

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