Describing the translation and rotation of a square frame

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The problem involves a square frame with four equal discs at its vertices, which is initially at rest on a horizontal table. An instantaneous impulse is applied to one of the discs along a diagonal, prompting a discussion on the subsequent movement of the system, including the motion of the center of mass and the rotation of the frame.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the impulse on the linear momentum and the motion of the center of mass. Questions arise regarding the assumptions made about the distribution of momentum among the masses and the relationship between linear and angular momentum. There is also exploration of how to compute angular velocity and moment of inertia for the system.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the conservation of linear and angular momentum, leading to calculations related to the system's motion. Others have expressed uncertainty about the assumptions regarding energy distribution and the implications for velocity. The discussion is ongoing with various interpretations being explored.

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There are mentions of potential translation issues due to the problem being translated from Portuguese, which may affect clarity. Additionally, the problem constraints regarding the setup and assumptions about the system's motion are under examination.

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Homework Statement


Four equal discs of mass
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ocuppy the vertices of a square frame made by four rigid bars of length
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and negligible mass. The frame is at rest on a horizontal table, and it can move with negligible friction. An instantaneous impulse
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is transmitted to one of the masses, in the direction of one of the square`s diagonals. Describe completely the subsequent movement of the system.
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Answer: The center of mass moves with constant velocity
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and the frame spins with angular velocity
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Homework Equations


Linear momentum:
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Angular momentum:
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Impulse-momentum theorem:
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The Attempt at a Solution


I obtained the first result by assuming that the the linear momentum transmitted by the impulse will be divided into four chunks, which will be associated with each mass. Then, the center of mass will notably move with velocity
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. But why can I assume that? And shouldn`t the velocity be less than
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, considering that part of the energy given to the frame will be associated with its rotation?

(This problem was found in a textbook written in portuguese, so the translation might not be the best. Please comment any doubt with the problem statement!)
 

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Ok, the total movement is the displacement of center or mass plus the rotation of mass around it.

How can you compute, the angular velocity ##\omega##?
Can you based in the geometry compute L? (p is totally transmited)
And the relation betwenn L, I and w?
Can you compute I for this system?
 
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Thanks for the comment, Alejandro! I stopped thinking in terms of energy, and was able to solve this problem fairly easily.
(The terms in bold are vectors)
I) After the instantaneous impulse, there will be no net external force acting on the system. Thus, the linear momentum must be conserved. Besides that, we know that the center of mass (CM) moves as if all linear momentum was concentrated in it.
P = 4mvCM ⇔ vCM = P/4m.

II) On the other hand, after the instantaneous impulse, there will be no net external torque acting on the system. Therefore, the angular momentum must be conserved. Let ri be the position of mass i in relation to the CM, and vi its velocity. Then, we must have:
L = r1×(mv1) + r2×(mv2) + r3×(mv3) + r4×(mv4)
The direction of all vectors is the same. Then, we can work with the magnitudes of the vectors. Moreover, we know that the magnitude of ri is r, and the magnitude of vi is v.
L = rmv + rmv + rmv + rmv ⇔ L = 4mvr.
v = ωr ⇒ L = 4mwr2

But L = rP ⇒ rP = 4mwr2 ⇔ ω = P/4mr.
Also, r = 2⋅l/2. And finally: ω = P/22ml

 
Yes, I've made the problem, and only a half of A4 it's necessary for goal the solution
 

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