Designing Balancing Resistors for Series Capacitors: Factors Affecting IR

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around designing balancing resistors for series capacitors, focusing on factors affecting insulation resistance and leakage current over time. Participants explore considerations related to capacitor technology, aging, and voltage effects, with an emphasis on practical design implications.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note the importance of considering leakage current from capacitors and its impact on insulation resistance over time.
  • Heating and aging are identified as factors that may increase leakage current, but participants express uncertainty about how to estimate this increase for design purposes.
  • There is a suggestion that operating closer to the rated voltage of a capacitor reduces its lifetime, raising questions about its effects on leakage current.
  • One participant mentions that some manufacturers provide graphs of leakage current for their products, indicating a potential resource for further exploration.
  • Discussion includes the mechanical stress applied to capacitor materials when voltage is applied, which may contribute to aging and increased leakage current.
  • Electrolytic capacitors are highlighted as potentially more sensitive to operating conditions, with one participant likening them to "living things" that require careful handling.
  • Participants reference a previous thread discussing resistive balancing for chains of capacitors, suggesting a broader context for the current inquiry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on specific methods for estimating leakage current increases or the best practices for designing balancing resistors. Multiple viewpoints regarding capacitor technology and its implications for design remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not specified the exact capacitor technology they are considering, which may affect the discussion's applicability. There are also unresolved questions regarding the definitions and parameters related to leakage current and insulation resistance.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for engineers and designers working with capacitors in high-voltage applications, particularly those interested in the effects of aging and leakage current on capacitor performance.

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I am trying to understand factors that cause a capacitors insulation resistance to decrease over time
I am lookin designing balancing resistors for series capacitors and understand that I need to consider the leakage current from the capacitors. I am trying to determine factors that would case the insulation resistance to decrease over time so I can design around that.
 
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I should add that I do realize heating and aging are two factors. Is there some way to estimate the percentage the leakage current would increase based one either of these factors? I'm not sure how I would use them in the design stage.

I know that a capacitors lifetime is reduced as you operate closer to the rated voltage. How does this effect it?
 
Ntip said:
Is there some way to estimate the percentage the leakage current would increase based one either of these factors?
Some of the US manufacturers show graphs of leakage current for some products. I don't recall which particular ones, so you will have to search around a bit.

Here is an online calculator to help for lifetime:
https://www.illinoiscapacitor.com/tech-center/life-calculators.aspx

Also try this search, and look at the suggestions at the bottom of the results page.
https://www.google.com/search?&q=factors+for+lifetime+electrolytic+capacitors

Cheers,
Tom
 
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Well think of other materials and how heat can age them?

Also - when voltage is applied - this applies a mechanical stress to the material at the molecular and bonding levels - so that is why as you approach the rated Voltage they also age faster.

Keep in mind - the capacitor by design wants the thinnest dielectric possible to increase the capacitance.

Look at how the manufacturer defines the lifetime - the leakage current they give MAY be the EOL leakage. So as long as you stay within the aging parameter limits and time - you should be fine.
 
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Ntip said:
I am lookin designing balancing resistors for series capacitors and understand that I need to consider the leakage current from the capacitors. I am trying to determine factors that would case the insulation resistance to decrease over time so I can design around that.
You have not specified the capacitor technology you will use. Are you using electrolytic capacitors?

I think of electrolytic capacitors as being more like living things that must be cared for, and that can chemically learn about operating voltages, or die in a hot environment. In many respects, other types of capacitors are more robust.

We discussed various aspects of resistive balancing for chains of capacitors in a recent thread.
https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...-my-high-voltage-circuit.994058/#post-6396764
 
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Baluncore said:
You have not specified the capacitor technology you will use. Are you using electrolytic capacitors?

I think of electrolytic capacitors as being more like living things that must be cared for, and that can chemically learn about operating voltages, or die in a hot environment. In many respects, other types of capacitors are more robust.

We discussed various aspects of resistive balancing for chains of capacitors in a recent thread.
https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...-my-high-voltage-circuit.994058/#post-6396764
I was thinking about electrolytic because it seems like I can get a high value capacitance pretty easily.

I actually came across that other thread thread. That's what lead me to start looking into the leakage current. That application was for 4 kV I think so a lot higher than I need. I'll read through it again though. Some of the questions and answers seemed to be pretty helpful to get me thinking about things on my own. I actually had a question about the matching RC time constant part but I'll make another thread about that since this one is titled as insulation resistance.
 
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Ntip said:
I actually had a question about the matching RC time constant part but I'll make another thread about that since this one is titled as insulation resistance.
Fixed ratio "broad band potential dividers" are an interesting subject.
 
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