Detecting the presence of other universes

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The discussion revolves around the detection of other universes within the framework of the inflationary Big Bang model and the concept of a multiverse. Participants explore theoretical implications, potential observational strategies, and the nature of causal connections between these universes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that pocket universes may exert gravitational influence on one another, but question whether such influence is possible if their expansion exceeds the speed of light.
  • There is a suggestion that bubble collisions in the early universe might provide indirect evidence of other pocket universes, particularly through observations in the cosmic microwave background (CMB).
  • One participant mentions that dark matter could potentially be gravitational energy leaking from a parallel brane universe, possibly detectable through high-frequency gravity waves.
  • Concerns are raised about the definitions of 'regular' and 'chaotic' inflation and their implications for the existence of a multiverse, with references to the views of prominent cosmologists like Alan Guth.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the feasibility of detecting other universes, citing the isolation of different models and the challenges in distinguishing between various dark matter theories.
  • There is a discussion about the causal connectivity of universes, with references to theorists like Laura Mersini-Houghton who suggest the possibility of a detectable signature from a 'surface of last causal connectivity.'

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of inflation and its implications for the multiverse, with no consensus reached on the definitions or effects of regular versus chaotic inflation. The feasibility of detecting other universes remains a contested topic, with various hypotheses presented but no clear agreement on their validity.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the ambiguity in definitions of multiverse types, unresolved mathematical implications of inflationary models, and the speculative nature of dark matter theories related to brane interactions.

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In the inflationary Big Bang model, our universe is one of the many pocket universes in the multiverse. How can we detect the existence of the other pocket universes?

I presumed that all the pocket universes exist in the same physical space. So in principle, they can exert influence on one another, gravitationally for instance. But if the expansion rate of the space between two pocket universes exceeds the speed of light, does that mean that the two pocket universes will cease to have any physical effect on each other? In other words, information about the other pocket universes is available in the past but not in the future. Does this result in a paradox?
 
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That is a big question and no satisfactory answer currently exists.
 
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Happiness said:
In the inflationary Big Bang model, our universe is one of the many pocket universes in the multiverse.

I don't think this is strictly true. Does 'regular' inflation predict the same effects that 'chaotic' inflation does?

Happiness said:
I presumed that all the pocket universes exist in the same physical space.

That depends on what you mean by 'multiverse'. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse#Categories
 
Drakkith said:
I don't think this is strictly true. Does 'regular' inflation predict the same effects that 'chaotic' inflation does?

That depends on what you mean by 'multiverse'. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse#Categories

I'm stating the mainstream view, held by most cosmologists as stated by Alan Guth in his lectures:

 
Happiness said:
I'm stating the mainstream view, held by most cosmologists as stated by Alan Guth in his lectures:

In the specific scenario given by Guth, it looks to me like the different 'pocket universes' would indeed exist in the same physical space.
 
Reguarding causal connection, causality is the gift that keeps on giving. Once a causal link is established it cannot be severed. There are many galaxies [most in fact] that have receded beyond detectability that we still observe. We will not receive any photons they currently emit, but, we will continue to receive photons they emitted prior to the moment they exited the observable universe forever. They will merely redshift beyond detectability at some point in the distant future. It is not unlike a remote observer watching an astronaut fall into a black hole. The hapless fellow will never appear to reach the event horizon, merely redshift into obscurity. Under most multiverse theories, other universes are causally disconnected at the instant they form. A causal disconnect is virtually demanded under any reasonable defiinition of a universe. Some theorists, such as Laura Mersini-Houghton, hypothesize something like a 'surface of last causal connectivity' could remain as a detectable signature.
 
Happiness said:
In the inflationary Big Bang model, our universe is one of the many pocket universes in the multiverse. How can we detect the existence of the other pocket universes?
It's highly unlikely that we'll ever be able to find direct evidence. There is some indication that bubble collisions (i.e., collisions with other "pocket universes") in the early universe might be visible in the CMB. But so far there isn't any solid evidence of that occurring.

Our best bet is to gain a deeper understanding of high-energy physics. Spontaneous symmetry breaking is good indirect evidence of other regions of space which have different low-energy laws of physics.

Happiness said:
I presumed that all the pocket universes exist in the same physical space. So in principle, they can exert influence on one another, gravitationally for instance.
Not likely. Even in the many worlds of quantum mechanics, where this is the case, the other worlds are sufficiently isolated that direct evidence is highly unlikely. Other models have the regions with different low-energy physics existing beyond our cosmological horizon where direct detection seems hopeless.
 
Chalnoth said:
Not likely. Even in the many worlds of quantum mechanics, where this is the case, the other worlds are sufficiently isolated that direct evidence is highly unlikely. Other models have the regions with different low-energy physics existing beyond our cosmological horizon where direct detection seems hopeless.
But indirectly, it was hypothesized quite some time ago that dark matter may in fact be gravitational energy 'leaking' into our universe from a parallel brane universe, perhaps from short (Planck scale?) hi frequency gravity waves which , unlike light and other electromagnetic radiation, could theoretically penetrate through the higher order dimensions via black holes. Is this hypothesis still being seriously pursued by the m-theory community? I think Hawking is amongst them ( or was).
 
Drakkith said:
I don't think this is strictly true. Does 'regular' inflation predict the same effects that 'chaotic' inflation does?
That depends on what you mean by 'multiverse'. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse#Categories

I think there is some confusion between chaotic inflation and eternal inflation. Even some big name comsologists like George Ellis seem to make this mistake. Eternal inflation leads to a multiverse, chaotic inflation is eternal inflation, but eternal inflation is not necessarily chaotic inflation. See this paper for an explanation:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0409055.pdf
According to Guth, virtually all models of "regular inflation" are eternal. i think there is something of a myth going around that only chaotic inflation leads to a multiverse, this is not right at all.
see Also Guths paper here:
http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0702178
Of course Guth could turn out to be wrong. but I believe that most people that work on inflation do agree.
 
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PhanthomJay said:
But indirectly, it was hypothesized quite some time ago that dark matter may in fact be gravitational energy 'leaking' into our universe from a parallel brane universe, perhaps from short (Planck scale?) hi frequency gravity waves which , unlike light and other electromagnetic radiation, could theoretically penetrate through the higher order dimensions via black holes. Is this hypothesis still being seriously pursued by the m-theory community? I think Hawking is amongst them ( or was).
That would be exceedingly difficult to demonstrate. The problem with dark matter stemming from interactions with matter in a closely-located brane is it would be exceedingly difficult to demonstrate this. We could falsify it by detecting a dark matter particle, but if the dark matter particle remains elusive, I'm not sure it would be possible to distinguish between this idea and the WIMP concept, or a number of other, more exotic dark matter ideas.
 
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Chalnoth said:
That would be exceedingly difficult to demonstrate. The problem with dark matter stemming from interactions with matter in a closely-located brane is it would be exceedingly difficult to demonstrate this. We could falsify it by detecting a dark matter particle, but if the dark matter particle remains elusive, I'm not sure it would be possible to distinguish between this idea and the WIMP concept, or a number of other, more exotic dark matter ideas.
Thank you Chalnoth for your valued insight.
 

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