Determinant of a Finite Field 2x2 Matrix

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The discussion revolves around finding the determinant of a 2x2 matrix within the finite field Z3. Participants are exploring the implications of modular arithmetic in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to calculate the determinant using standard methods but express confusion regarding the interpretation of remainders in Z3, particularly with negative numbers and equivalences.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the concept of equivalence in modular arithmetic, with some participants questioning the accuracy of descriptions regarding remainders in Z3. Clarifications about how numbers are considered equal in this field are being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the understanding of remainders and equivalences in Z3 may not be straightforward, particularly regarding negative values and their representation.

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Homework Statement



Find the determinant of:
|1 1|
|2 1|

The field is Z3.

Homework Equations



The field is Z3, that is, to multiply two numbers, you first multiply then take the remainder of the division by 3.

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried:
( 1 x 1 ) - ( 1 x 2 )
1 x 1 will be: 1x1 = 1 => then get the remainder of the division by 3 that is 1
1 x 2 will be: 1 x 2 = 2 => then get the remainder of the division by 3 that is 2

So, the determinant would be 1 - 2 = -1 => then get the remainder of the division by 3 that is -1

But the answer is 2
 
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rehcarlos said:

Homework Statement



Find the determinant of:
|1 1|
|2 1|

The field is Z3.

Homework Equations



The field is Z3, that is, to multiply two numbers, you first multiply then take the remainder of the division by 3.

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried:
( 1 x 1 ) - ( 1 x 2 )
1 x 1 will be: 1x1 = 1 => then get the remainder of the division by 3 that is 1
1 x 2 will be: 1 x 2 = 2 => then get the remainder of the division by 3 that is 2

So, the determinant would be 1 - 2 = -1 => then get the remainder of the division by 3 that is -1

But the answer is 2

In Z3, -1=2. Any two numbers that differ by a multiple of 3 have the same remainder when divided by 3.
 
I know it may be simple, but I'm still confuse,

-1 divided by 3 has a remainder of -1
2 divided by 3 has a remainder of 2

So I don't get how they have the same remainder
 
rehcarlos said:
I know it may be simple, but I'm still confuse,

-1 divided by 3 has a remainder of -1
2 divided by 3 has a remainder of 2

So I don't get how they have the same remainder

To say Z3 is about 'remainders' isn't quite accurate. Two number are equal in Z3 if they differ by a multiple of 3. That's the sense in which they have the same remainder. 2-(-1)=3*1.
 
Ok then,

Thanks!
 

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