Determinant of an n x n matrix

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The discussion revolves around finding the determinant of a specific n x n matrix characterized by a pattern in its entries. Participants explore methods for calculating the determinant, particularly focusing on the implications of matrix transformations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of expansion by minors as a method for finding the determinant, while questioning whether this is the most efficient approach. Some suggest simplifying the matrix using row or column operations before applying determinant calculations.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem. Some participants have shared insights about using elementary row operations to simplify the matrix, which appears to lead to a more straightforward calculation of the determinant. However, there is no explicit consensus on a single method being the best approach.

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Participants are considering the implications of using row operations on the determinant's value and are reflecting on their understanding of the relationship between matrix transformations and determinant calculations.

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Homework Statement


Find the determinant of the matrix given by:

\begin{array}{ccc}
1 & 2 & 3 & ... & n \\
2 & 2 & 3 & ... & n \\
3 & 3 & 3 & ... & n \\
. & . & . & & . \\
. & . & . & & . \\
. & . & . & & . \\
n & n & n & ... & n \end{array}



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We use expansion by minors to find determinants.


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So, I computed the matrix for n = 1, 2, 3 and 4 and so reckon I need to show that the determinant is equal to (-1)^(n-1)*n.

I tried expanding by minors in the last row, but that just seems to give me a load of slightly smaller matrices of which I must find the determinant...
 
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Do you have to use expansion by minors on the original matrix? It is easy to simplify this matrix a lot with row (or column) operations, and determine the determinant afterwards in a very simple expansion.
 
In what way can you transform the determinant without changing its final value?
 
mfb said:
Do you have to use expansion by minors on the original matrix? It is easy to simplify this matrix a lot with row (or column) operations, and determine the determinant afterwards in a very simple expansion.

Row operations hadn't crossed my mind! (Feel a bit foolish seeing as the chapter is on determinants and row operations!)

That's a really good point though. Will have a go using EROs now.

EDIT: Done! Thanks a lot. Once you use EROs, the answer pretty much drops out. For anyone who's interested, you take the 1st column away from all the other columns and then expand by minors in the bottom row as it has an n as its first entry and then the rest are zeros. So, you get (-1)^(n-1)*n multiplied by the determinant of an upper triangular matrix with ones as the entries for all of its diagonals - so its determinant is one. Thanks again.
 
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