Determine Convergence or Divergence. If conv. find the sum:

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The discussion revolves around the convergence and sum of the series ##\sum \dfrac {1+2^{n}} {3^{n}}##, with participants exploring different interpretations and methods to evaluate the series.

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  • Participants discuss the application of geometric series properties and the impact of the index of summation on the results. There are attempts to reconcile differing results from personal calculations and external sources like Wolfram Alpha.

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Multiple interpretations of the series are being explored, particularly regarding the starting index of summation. Some participants have provided guidance on using geometric series methods, while others express confusion about how to apply these methods correctly.

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There is an ongoing debate about whether the series should start at ##n=0## or ##n=1##, which affects the terms involved in the summation. Some participants reference their textbooks for clarification on geometric series conventions.

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Homework Statement


##\sum \dfrac {1+2^{n}} {3^{n}}##

According to Wolfram Alpha the sum is 5/2. But, I think that my method is fine and shows another result.

The Attempt at a Solution


##\sum \dfrac {1+2^{n}} {3^{n}}=\sum \left[ \left( \dfrac {1} {3}\right) ^{n}+\left( \dfrac {2} {3}\right) ^{n}\right]##

Now, by geometric series property and property of infinite series:
##\dfrac {1} {1-\dfrac {1} {3}}+\dfrac {1} {1-\dfrac {2} {3}}=\dfrac {3} {2}+3## =9/2 =4.5

Also, I found by the ratio test that it is absolutely convergent. (2/3) < 1

I don't know, why Wolfram Alpha shows that the final sum is 5/2.

Thank you.
 
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knowLittle said:

Homework Statement


##\sum \dfrac {1+2^{n}} {3^{n}}##

According to Wolfram Alpha the sum is 5/2. But, I think that my method is fine and shows another result.

The Attempt at a Solution


##\sum \dfrac {1+2^{n}} {3^{n}}=\sum \left[ \left( \dfrac {1} {3}\right) ^{n}+\left( \dfrac {2} {3}\right) ^{n}\right]##

Now, by geometric series property and property of infinite series:
##\dfrac {1} {1-\dfrac {1} {3}}+\dfrac {1} {1-\dfrac {2} {3}}=\dfrac {3} {2}+3## =9/2 =4.5

Also, I found by the ratio test that it is absolutely convergent. (2/3) < 1

I don't know, why Wolfram Alpha shows that the final sum is 5/2.

Thank you.

You didn't show where the index of summation starts. Is it ##n=1## or ##n=0\ ##? It affects the first term and the sum.
 
Sorry, the sum goes from n=1 to infinity.
 
LCKurtz said:
You didn't show where the index of summation starts. Is it ##n=1## or ##n=0\ ##? It affects the first term and the sum.

knowLittle said:
Sorry, the sum goes from n=1 to infinity.

So, does that answer your question?
 
Ok. I still don't see it.
S1= 3/3 =1
S2= 5/9
S3=9/27
S4=17/81

I just checked my textbook and Geometric series start from n=0. This is what you are referring to.
Ok, so I cannot use the Geometric series method. How can I find a solution?
 
knowLittle said:
Ok. I still don't see it.
S1= 3/3 =1
S2= 5/9
S3=9/27
S4=17/81

I just checked my textbook and Geometric series start from n=0. This is what you are referring to.
Ok, so I cannot use the Geometric series method. How can I find a solution?

If the first term of a geometric series is ##a## and the common ration is ##r## then the sum of the series is ##\frac a {1-r}##. If you phrase it that way, it doesn't matter how it is indexed.
 
Ok. So, what you are saying is that my 1st term is equal to a. Then, a=1. I can't determine the ratio from the summation. Could you help?

I want to correct my previous statement for the sums:
S1=1
S2=1+5/9=14/9
S3=(9/27)+14/9=51/27
S4=17/81 +51/27 = 170/80
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. so on
 
Since the index starts at 1, that means the first terms of the series are 1/3 and 2/3 respectively. And with a representing the first term of each from what LCKurtz said,\sum^\infty_{n=1} \left[ \left( \dfrac {1} {3}\right) ^{n}+\left( \dfrac {2} {3}\right) ^{n}\right] = \dfrac {\frac{1}{3}} {1-\dfrac {1} {3}}+\dfrac {\frac{2}{3}} {1-\dfrac {2} {3}}
 
Wow, so in this case. a is not only the coefficient, but also the ratio.

Ok, thank you. I like to understand.
 
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knowLittle said:
Ok. I still don't see it.
S1= 3/3 =1
S2= 5/9
S3=9/27
S4=17/81

I just checked my textbook and Geometric series start from n=0. This is what you are referring to.
Ok, so I cannot use the Geometric series method. How can I find a solution?

Of course you can use the geometric series method; you just have to subtract the n=0 terms from what you wrote. That will give you the sum from n=1 to ∞. Alternatively, you can recognize that for |r| < 1 you have r + r^2 + r^3 + \cdots = r(1 +r + r^2 + \cdots), and use your geometric sum result for the quantity in brackets.

RGV
 

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