Determine Sign of Half-Angle Identities

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the half-angle identity for the sine function, specifically f(θ/2) where f(x) = sin(x). Participants are attempting to determine the correct sign of the half-angle identity based on the quadrant in which the angle resides.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are using the Pythagorean theorem to find coordinates on the unit circle and are questioning the signs of these coordinates based on the quadrant. There is confusion regarding whether to use θ or α in the context of the problem. Some participants are also discussing the implications of quadrant location on the sign of the sine function.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to determining the sign of the half-angle identity. Some participants have provided guidance on using the correct coordinates and understanding the quadrant implications, but there is no explicit consensus on the resolution of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the angle is in the third quadrant, which influences their reasoning about the signs of the sine and cosine values. There is also mention of homework constraints that may affect the discussion.

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Homework Statement



Use the figure to evaluate the function that f(x)=sin(x)

f(θ/2)

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The Attempt at a Solution



x2+y2=1

x= -2/7

(-2/7)2+y2=1

y=√(6)/7
sin(θ/2)= +/- √(1-cos(θ)/2) (the whole function is over 2 inside of the square root)

=+/- √(1-√(6)/7/2)

=+/- √(7-√(6)/14)

I keep coming out with the wrong sign. How do you determine the sign in a Half- Angle identity?
 

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rhoadsy74 said:
x2+y2=1

x= -2/7

(-2/7)2+y2=1

y=√(6)/7
^ Not sure how you got that. Also, the y value has to be negative. Do you know why?

rhoadsy74 said:
sin(θ/2)= +/- √(1-cos(θ)/2) (the whole function is over 2 inside of the square root)

=+/- √(1-√(6)/7/2)

=+/- √(7-√(6)/14)

I keep coming out with the wrong sign. How do you determine the sign in a Half- Angle identity?
Is it supposed to be theta or alpha? Your diagram has the angle labeled alpha. Assuming theta, and assuming you know what quadrant it is in, you can guess what quadrant θ/2 is in. You also should know that certain trig functions are positive in certain quadrants.
 
I used the Pythagorean theorem to find the (square root) 6/7 but it should be negative because of the fact that it is the third quadrant. What I don't understand is how to determine whether the whole function is (+) or (-). Can you help me?
 
it is supposed to alpha.
 
Why should it be negative? I understand that there are certain trig functions that are (+) and (-) in certain quadrants, but why is the the whole function negative?
 
rhoadsy74 said:
I used the Pythagorean theorem to find the (square root) 6/7 but it should be negative because of the fact that it is the third quadrant.
I'm afraid you made a mistake somewhere. Even with the negative, I am not getting
y = -\frac{\sqrt{6}}{7}
 
The answer to this question is 3/(square root) 14. That is what my homework is telling me. How do you come to that answer?
 
I believe I did make a mistake somewhere, just not sure where.
 
rhoadsy74 said:
The answer to this question is 3/(square root) 14. That is what my homework is telling me. How do you come to that answer?
I was not answering the overall question. I was pointing out that you got the wrong y-coordinate of the point in the beginning of your work:

rhoadsy74 said:
x2+y2=1

x= -2/7

(-2/7)2+y2=1

y=√(6)/7

Another thing:
rhoadsy74 said:
sin(θ/2)= +/- √(1-cos(θ)/2) (the whole function is over 2 inside of the square root)

=+/- √(1-√(6)/7/2)
I forgot to mention that this is also wrong. On the unit circle, does cos θ equal the y-coordinate?
 
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Cos of theta equals the x- coordinate. I realize that I got it wrong, but can you explain to me where i went wrong and how the homework came to that answer?
 
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rhoadsy74 said:
Cos of theta equals the x- coordinate. I realize that I got it wrong, but can you explain to me where i went wrong and how the homework came to that answer?
It would be better if you try it again yourself.

rhoadsy74 said:
sin(θ/2)= +/- √(1-cos(θ)/2) (the whole function is over 2 inside of the square root)

=+/- √(1-√(6)/7/2)

Instead of plugging in the y-coordinate (which you still haven't fixed), plug in the x-coordinate, (-2/7):
\sin \left ( \frac{\theta}{2} \right) = \pm \sqrt{\frac{1 - \cos \theta}{2}}
\sin \left ( \frac{\theta}{2} \right) = \pm \sqrt{\frac{1 - (-2/7)}{2}}

This will simplify to \frac{3}{\sqrt{14}}. Try it.
 

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