Determining Age of Earth with Superparamagnetism

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The discussion centers on the methods for determining the age of the Earth, specifically through the lens of superparamagnetism and magnetic studies of rocks. Participants explore the relationship between Earth's magnetic field, rock formation, and the implications for dating geological features.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the age of the Earth can be inferred from magnetic studies, particularly through the alignment of minerals in rocks as they cool below the Curie temperature.
  • Others argue that while magnetic studies can provide a lower bound on the Earth's age, they cannot independently determine the age of a rock without prior knowledge of its age.
  • A participant mentions that the magnetic field has reversed many times throughout Earth's history, which can be recorded in igneous rocks and used to support theories of plate tectonics.
  • There is a claim that the paleo magnetic orientation of Earth's magnetic field can be fixed in volcanic strata, potentially aiding in a continuous dating scale.
  • Some participants emphasize that magnetic data alone cannot establish the age of rocks without additional context or information.
  • One participant references a specific study that measured the magnetic signature of a rock already known to be over 3 billion years old, suggesting that this does not allow for independent age determination based solely on magnetic data.
  • Another participant notes that the Earth's magnetic field arises from convection currents in the outer liquid core, rather than from the rotation of the core itself.
  • A textbook reference is made, stating the age of the Earth as approximately 4.5 billion years.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the role of magnetic studies in determining the age of the Earth. There is no consensus on whether magnetic data can independently establish the age of rocks, with some asserting it can provide a lower bound while others refute this claim.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in using magnetic data for age determination, including the necessity of prior knowledge about the rocks' ages and the dependence on established geological timelines.

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Hi

I want ask how to know the age of Earth with superparamagnetism ( magnetic rock) ?

Thanks
 
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I think you will need to elaborate. i think what you might be confused with is oceanic spreading rates (the rate at which the spreading ridges form new oceanic crust). As these rocks cool down below the curie temperature, Earth's magnetic field will have an affect on mineral alignment, recording which way Earth's magnetic field was at the time the rock cooled.
As an aside, Earth's magnetic field is caused from the rotation of the hot metallic solid core; Earth has not always had this.
 
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The Earth's core has always been rotating to a degree, but the magnetic field it generates is not stable. That is why it has reversed thousands of times over the history of the Earth. When an igneous rock cools it will lock in the existing magnetic field when it cools down below roughly 1,200 F. One of the main sources of evidence for plate tectonics was the record of magnetic reversals shown by ships dragging magnetometers behind them on cross Atlantic and other ocean cruises. Especially across the Atlantic you could see a mirror effect depending on how far you were away from the mid Atlantic ridge.
 
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fefe80 said:
Hi

I want ask how to know the age of Earth with superparamagnetism ( magnetic rock) ?

Thanks

The age of the Earth is known from radiometric dating. We cannot determine the age of the Earth from magnetic studies of rocks.
 
billiards said:
The age of the Earth is known from radiometric dating. We cannot determine the age of the Earth from magnetic studies of rocks.
Yes and no. Magnetic studies certainly can yield a lower bound on the Earth's age.
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/56925/title/Geophysicists_push_age_of_Earths_magnetic_field_back_250_million_years
 
D H said:
Yes and no. Magnetic studies certainly can yield a lower bound on the Earth's age.
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/56925/title/Geophysicists_push_age_of_Earths_magnetic_field_back_250_million_years

Well no, really. You cannot independently determine the age of a rock based on magnetic data. In the study you referred they measured the magnetic signature on a rock that they already knew was more than 3 billion years old -- which they then inferred the presence of a geomagnetic field at the time of the rock's formation.
 
billiards said:
Well no, really. You cannot independently determine the age of a rock based on magnetic data. In the study you referred they measured the magnetic signature on a rock that they already knew was more than 3 billion years old -- which they then inferred the presence of a geomagnetic field at the time of the rock's formation.

Thanks a lot for your participate
 
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D H said:
Yes and no. Magnetic studies certainly can yield a lower bound on the Earth's age.
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/56925/title/Geophysicists_push_age_of_Earths_magnetic_field_back_250_million_years

Thanks for your participate
 
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billiards said:
Well no, really. You cannot independently determine the age of a rock based on magnetic data. In the study you referred they measured the magnetic signature on a rock that they already knew was more than 3 billion years old -- which they then inferred the presence of a geomagnetic field at the time of the rock's formation.

Exactly. It may also be mentioned that the paleo magnetic orientation of the Earth magnetic field is fixated in the volcanic strata and can be used for a continuous dating scale. See for instance this graph:

01_f04a.gif


Note the white/black bar on top reflecting the paleomagnetic chrons, Matuyama, Gauss, Kaena etc witl alternating normal and reversed orientation of the Earth magnetic field with known reversal dates.

Source http://www-odp.tamu.edu/publications/202_SR/synth/syn_f4.htm
 
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Yes. You can establish a record of how the magnetic field has varied with time once you know the age of the rocks concerned and use them to measure how the magnetic field varies. This effectively gives you a database, which can be correlated with magnetic readings from elsewhere to give you an inference of the age of those rocks. It's important to recognise that the magnetic field is merely a fingerprint (or distinctive pattern) that can give you a "smell" of what the age of the rocks are given prior knowledge -- you absolutely cannot tell the age of the rock given solely magnetic data and no other information.
 
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Bradenbraden said:
As an aside, Earth's magnetic field is caused from the rotation of the hot metallic solid core; Earth has not always had this.
:rolleyes:
The magnetic field arises from convection currents in the outer liquid core which constitute a self exciting dynamo.
 
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4.5 bya is what my textbook says
 

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