Determining LED light intensity from its radiant power

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The discussion revolves around converting the radiant power of LEDs (0.7mW) into light intensity measured in W/cm², particularly in the context of experiments related to photocatalysis. Participants explore various methods and considerations for making this conversion, including the use of photodiodes and the importance of understanding irradiance versus intensity.

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  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the conversion to light intensity can be achieved through simple arithmetic, assuming uniform emission from the LED.
  • One participant outlines a detailed procedure involving a calibrated photodiode, measuring current, and calculating irradiance and radiance based on known distances and areas.
  • There is a distinction made between the terms "intensity" and "irradiance," with some participants noting the potential for confusion in terminology.
  • Another participant expresses a desire for a simpler formula, indicating a lack of access to necessary equipment like a calibrated photodiode.
  • Questions are raised about the total power emitted by the LED, the emitting area, and the angular beam width, which are all factors that influence the calculations.
  • One participant suggests that finding the LED's datasheet may provide the needed information for the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a straightforward method for conversion, as there are multiple approaches and considerations discussed. Some express uncertainty about the necessary information for accurate calculations.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific measurements such as the emitting area of the LED, the angular beam width, and the availability of calibrated equipment. The discussion highlights the complexity of defining and measuring light intensity versus irradiance.

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I have LEDs of 0.7mW, but for my experiments, I want my values to be in light intensity unit - W/cm2.
I cannot figure out how to do the conversion.
 
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Light intensity of your (not quite point-like) source, or light intensity at some object lit by your source?

In both cases it is just a simple arithmetics (under assumption your LED emits uniformly in all directions)
 
rc101268 said:
I have LEDs of 0.7mW, but for my experiments, I want my values to be in light intensity unit - W/cm2.
I cannot figure out how to do the conversion.
The best way to do this is to measure physical quantities in order to calculate the irradiance (IMO, a more appropriate and less confusing term than intensity*) in (watts/cm^2). Here's the procedure.

1. Get a photo diode with calibrated responsivity (R, in amps/watt) at the wavelength of the LED and known detector area, Ad.
2. Place the detector a known distance, z, away from the LED.
3. Measure the current, I, passing through the LED. You may have to turn the room lights out. Or measure the current with LED on and then again with the LED off then take the difference.
4. The LED irradiance at the detector, and in that direction, is
E = I/(R*Ad)
5. A more useful property of the LED is its radiance, an optical invariant. If you know the emitting area, As, of the LED, Then its radiance is
L = I*z^2/(R*Ad*As*cos(theta)).

where theta the angle of the line of sight from the normal of the LED to the normal of the detector.

All this assumes that the size of the LED and detector are small compared to the distance, z.

* Intensity is a confusing term because different authors have different meanings for the term. Some authors use it to mean irradiance (power received/receiving area, in watts/cm^2) but some authors use it to mean "intensity" (power emitted/solid angle, in watts/steradian).
 
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The LEDs are being used to experiment with photocatalysis.

@xts
It's the light intensity of the source (LEDs)

@aabottom
I was hoping I won't have to go down that road as I don't have a calibrated photodiode.
I think from your asterisked comment, what I am looking for is irradiance but its more like power emitted/receiving area (W/cm^2).
Wish there was a simple formula
 
rc101268 said:
The LEDs are being used to experiment with photocatalysis.

@xts
It's the light intensity of the source (LEDs)

@aabottom
I was hoping I won't have to go down that road as I don't have a calibrated photodiode.
I think from your asterisked comment, what I am looking for is irradiance but its more like power emitted/receiving area (W/cm^2).
Wish there was a simple formula
It is a simple formula (e.g. 4 or 5 in my post above). You just don't have the information you need to make the calculation.

Is 0.7 mW the total power emitted by the LED?
Do you know the emitting area of the LED?
Do you have graphs showing the angular beam width of the LED or the angular beam width (Full Width Half Maximum- FWHM)?

If the emitting area, As, and the angular beam width (FWHM), b, are small, the average radiance normal to the LED surface is
L = P/(2*As*b^2)
where P is the total power emitted by the LED.

With the LED radiance, you can estimate the irradiance at any distance, z, (in the far field) from the LED.
E = L*As*/z^2

PS: The power emitted/receiving area (W/cm^2) is likley not very useful. If you need to know the Radiant Exitance, M, then calculate
M = P/As
 
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I'll just find the datasheet of the LED, hopefully all that information should be there.
Thanks aabottom.
 

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