Deviation of a gas from ideal gas behaviour

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The discussion centers on estimating the pressure at which argon gas, at a temperature of 300 K, begins to deviate from ideal gas behavior due to the finite size of atoms. The calculated pressure is suggested to be of the order of 10^9 Pa, which is deemed excessively high by participants. A Taylor expansion of the hard sphere gas equation, P'(V-b)=NkT, is proposed to analyze deviations, but the lack of specificity regarding the magnitude of deviations leads to confusion. Participants recommend assuming a deviation percentage, such as 0.1% to 1%, to derive a more realistic pressure threshold.

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Hi all, I have a question from a tutorial sheet that I'm stuck with. The question is

Estimate the pressure at which a gas of argon atoms, at a temperature of 300 K, will begin to show deviations from the ideal gas behaviour due to the finite size of the atoms. Answer: Of order 10^9 Pa.

So I tried taylor expanding the hard sphere gas equation: P'(V-b)=NkT, to get P'=P(1+b/V) to first order, where P is the ideal gas pressure. However, I don't know if this is the right approach or just what to do next really. Could someone point me in the right direction please?
 
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RightFresh said:
begin to show deviations from the ideal gas behaviour
What magnitude of deviations?
RightFresh said:
Answer: Of order 10^9 Pa.
Please check this number --- it's somewhat beyond ridiculous.
 
It just says deviations & that's the answer given
 
Bystander said:
What magnitude of deviations?

Please check this number --- it's somewhat beyond ridiculous.
It just says deviations & that's the answer given
 
Without some specification of magnitude of departure, there's no way to answer the question. You could make an assumption of 0.1% (or 0.3 to perhaps 1 % for ordinary measurement accuracies), and at the fixed temperature calculate a pressure at which the excluded volume reached that value, but you're never going to see 109 Pa for such a calculation.
 

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