Did a Giant Impact Start the Moon's Movement?

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The discussion revolves around the origins of the Moon's movement, particularly focusing on the giant impact hypothesis and its implications for the Moon's formation and motion. Participants explore concepts related to Newton's laws of motion, angular momentum, and the dynamics of celestial bodies in the context of astrophysics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the Moon did not start out as stationary, suggesting that any accreting body will have net angular momentum, leading to rotation and motion.
  • One participant emphasizes that the Moon is not in uniform motion but is accelerating due to Earth's gravitational force, referencing Newton's laws.
  • Another participant describes the giant impact hypothesis, proposing that a planet-sized object collided with Earth, ejecting material that formed the Moon, which started moving due to the kinetic energy from the impact.
  • A later reply highlights that while the giant impact hypothesis is widely accepted, it remains a hypothesis and has unresolved issues, including the nature of the collision and the formation of the Moon from a ring of material.
  • Some participants mention alternative models, such as a collision between two similarly sized bodies, which may address certain problems associated with the giant impact hypothesis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the Moon's formation and motion. While the giant impact hypothesis is a prevalent theory, there is no consensus on its validity or the specifics of the collision events that led to the Moon's current state.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the giant impact hypothesis, while explaining many aspects of the Moon's formation, has its own set of problems and limitations. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainties and the need for further exploration of alternative models.

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as we know that Newton's Motion of First Law state that everything will stay at stationary or uniform velocity unless an force act on it ..., the moon moves, as Earth gravitational field act as centripetal force on it , but how does the moon moves start from stationary ? unless it is start moving already ??
 
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you are correct, the Earth and Moon did not start out as mutually stationary.

In general, any randomly accreting body will end up with a net angular momentum which means it will rotate so the general circular-ish motion of bodies in the solar system is built-in as a consequence of how it was formed. You can easily see that two bodies approaching and then holding together, unless they happen to have equal and opposite momenta, they won't end up stationary, and, unless they hit exactly head on, they will end up turning about their mutual center of mass.

In terms of Newton's 1st Law, however, the Moon is not in uniform motion ... it is accelerating under the unbalanced force of gravity ... see Newton's 2nd Law. By Newton't 3rd Law, the Earth also orbits the Moon.
 
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Notice how after the impact the cars are spinning...

 
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The Earth was impacted by a planet-sized object very early in its lifetime. This expelled a lot of matter that formed a ring like Saturn's. Because the matter was far enough away from the Earth to form a moon, that's exactly what it did. So the moon started out moving, the necessary kinetic energy provided by the thing that hit the Earth all those eons ago.
 
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The Earth was impacted by a planet-sized object very early in its lifetime. This expelled a lot of matter that formed a ring like Saturn's. Because the matter was far enough away from the Earth to form a moon, that's exactly what it did. So the moon started out moving, the necessary kinetic energy provided by the thing that hit the Earth all those eons ago.
That's more or less the giant impact hypothesis of how the Moon formed. Note the word "hypothesis". We don't know. It's a guess. A very good guess, and it is the current consensus view on how the Moon formed, but it remains a guess. It's not good to state it as fact as you did.

While this hypothesis does explain a large number of problems that other models of the Moon's formation cannot explain, it too has some problems. Per this hypothesis, a Mars-sized body collided with the Earth shortly after the solar system had pretty much finished forming. Material ejected from the collision quickly formed a ring at a distance about six Earth radii. Why a ring? Collisions between bodies would quickly have resulted in objects in circular orbit. The Moon then formed from collisions between these protomoon objects, very similar to how terrestrial planets are thought to form around stars. The Moon formed in orbit because it was already in orbit.

Again, this is just a hypothesis. There are some problems with it. An alternative model that is garnering some support as of late because it explains some of these open issues involves a collision between two objects of similar size rather than between a Mars-sized object and an Earth-sized object. To me this is just a variation on the giant impact hypothesis.
 

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