Difference between equivalence and equality with functions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the distinction between equivalence and equality in the context of functions, particularly in relation to a problem that involves showing a root of an equation defined by a function. Participants explore the implications of using equivalence versus equality in mathematical expressions and equations.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the necessity of using equivalence rather than equality in the given problem, seeking clarification on the distinction.
  • Another participant explains that equivalence refers to the definition of the function, while equality pertains to solving the equation f(x)=0.
  • A different participant suggests a method to approach the problem by stating that f(x) can be expressed as 3-5x+x^3 and emphasizes the need to find specific values of x that satisfy f(X)=0.
  • One participant questions the meaning of "equivalent," noting that it typically implies a specific relationship and asks if an equivalence relation is mentioned in the context.
  • There is an acknowledgment that the function 3-5x+x^3 has a zero between x=1 and x=2, but uncertainty remains regarding the term "equivalent."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of the terms "equivalence" and "equality," indicating that there is no consensus on the definitions and implications of these concepts in the context of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the ambiguity surrounding the term "equivalent" and its relation to equivalence relations, suggesting that the discussion may depend on specific definitions that are not fully articulated.

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I feel aggravatingly close to the answer to this one, but have caved in.

Using ~ for "is equivalent to"

A given question reads:

Given that f(x) ~ 3 - 5x + x^3, show that the equation f(x)=0 has a root x = a, where a lies in the interval 1 < a < 2.

Clearly asking for the answer here would be more than a little insulting. What I want to know is why it is necessary to use equivalence rather than equality at the beginning.

Many thanks.
 
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In the example you show, equivalence means is defined as, that is f(x) is defined by the expression. Equality means an actual equation, like find the values of x for which f(x)=0. Here f(x)=0 is an equation, since f(x) is a substitute for the expression for x. f(x) equivalent to 0 would mean f(x) is 0 irrespective of x.
 
You could do it the following way:

The function value for arbitrary x equals the symbol f(x), i.e, f(x)=3-5x+x^3.
You wish to find a particular value (or values) among the possible x's, call that X, so that
f(X)=0, that is solve the following equation for X:
3-5X+X^3=0.

"x" denotes an arbitrary element within the function's domain, "X" denotes those of these such that f(X)=0 is a true statement (for most x's, it is an untrue statement).
 
I'm not sure I understand arildno's response! The problem I have understanding the whole problem is "equivalent". While there is a single concept of "equal", "equivalent" normally means "the same in some specific way" and you haven't said what that "way" is!

Typically, when you say two things are "equivalent", rather than "equal", you are saying they satisfy some given equivalence relation. Is there mention of an equivalence relation in this?

It's obvious that 3- 5x+ x3 HAS a zero between x= 1 and x= 2 but I don't know what is meant by "equivalent".
 

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