Different expressions for the polarization

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The discussion centers around different expressions for polarization in materials, specifically comparing a conventional expression involving susceptibility and a more complex integral form. Participants explore the implications of these expressions within the context of linear-response theory and the conditions under which they apply.

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  • One participant presents two forms of polarization, questioning the differences and applicability of each expression.
  • Another participant discusses the use of linear-response theory in normal media, emphasizing the role of temporal dispersion and the retarded Green's function in describing polarization.
  • A follow-up question is raised about the inclusion of constants in the susceptibility and the implications of using different unit systems, such as SI and Heaviside-Lorentz units.
  • Concerns are expressed regarding the requirement for the susceptibility function to be entire in the upper complex plane to ensure it behaves as a retarded function.
  • One participant requests references for the derivation of the discussed expressions and methods.
  • A later post suggests that the same property regarding the entire nature of susceptibility may extend to higher-order susceptibilities.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of constants in susceptibility and the implications of unit systems. There is also a lack of consensus on the requirement for the susceptibility function to be entire, as some participants seek clarification while others provide explanations.

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The discussion involves assumptions about the linearity of response in materials and the conditions under which the presented expressions are valid. There are unresolved questions regarding the mathematical treatment of the susceptibility functions and their implications in different contexts.

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Hi

People usually write the (total) polarization like this

[tex]P(t) = \epsilon_0(\chi^{(1)}E(t)+chi^{(2)}E(t)^2+\ldots)[/tex]

where χ is the susceptibility. But in my book I see they write it like this

[tex] P(t) = \varepsilon _0 \frac{1}{{2\pi }}\int\limits_{ - \infty }^\infty {\chi ^{(1)} (t)E(t' - t)dt} + \varepsilon _0 \frac{1}{{4\pi \pi }}\int\limits_{ - \infty }^\infty {\chi ^{(2)} (t_1 ,t_2 )E(t' - t_1 )E(t' - t_2 )dt_1 dt_2 + } <br /> \ldots[/tex]

I'm not quite sure what the difference is between these two expressions. Do they apply to different situations?

Thanks in advance.

Niles.
 
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Let's stick to linear-response theory first and consider normal media (no plasma), where temporal dispersion is sufficient to describe the polarization. Also let's stick to homogeneous media (say in thermal equilibrium). Then you impose an electric field on the medium and disturb this state of the charges inside the medium. Then, if this field is small compared to the inner bindings of the electrons to the ions, the response of the medium is linear, and the polarization can be written with help of the retarded Green's function as

[tex]\vec{P}(t,\vec{x})=\int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d} t' \chi(t-t') \vec{E}(t',\vec{x}).[/tex]

Here, [itex]\chi(t-t') \propto \Theta(t-t')[/itex] is the retarded Green's function.

Now you can express the Green's function and the electric field with help of its Fourier transform via

[tex]\chi(t-t')=\int_{\mathbb{R}} \frac{\mathrm{d} \omega}{(2 \pi)} \tilde{\chi}(\omega) \exp[-\mathrm{i} \omega(t-t')][/tex]

and

[tex]\vec{E}(t,\vec{x})=\int_{\mathbb{R}} \frac{\mathrm{d} \omega}{(2 \pi)} \tilde{\vec{E}}(\omega,\vec{x}) \exp(-\mathrm{i} \omega t).[/tex]

The only restriction to [itex]\tilde{\chi}[/itex] in order to be retarded is that it is an entire function in the upper complex [itex]\omega[/itex] plane. Then the convolution integral wrt. time becomes a simple multiplication in freqency space:

[tex]\tilde{\vec{P}}(\omega,\vec{x})=\tilde{\chi}( \omega ) \tilde{\vec{E}}(\omega,\vec{x}).[/tex]
 
Thanks for taking the time to reply.

vanhees71 said:
Let's stick to linear-response theory first and consider normal media (no plasma), where temporal dispersion is sufficient to describe the polarization. Also let's stick to homogeneous media (say in thermal equilibrium). Then you impose an electric field on the medium and disturb this state of the charges inside the medium. Then, if this field is small compared to the inner bindings of the electrons to the ions, the response of the medium is linear, and the polarization can be written with help of the retarded Green's function as

[tex]\vec{P}(t,\vec{x})=\int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d} t' \chi(t-t') \vec{E}(t',\vec{x}).[/tex]

Here, [itex]\chi(t-t') \propto \Theta(t-t')[/itex] is the retarded Green's function.

Aren't you missing an ε0/2∏?

vanhees71 said:
The only restriction to [itex]\tilde{\chi}[/itex] in order to be retarded is that it is an entire function in the upper complex [itex]\omega[/itex] plane. Then the convolution integral wrt. time becomes a simple multiplication in freqency space:

[tex]\tilde{\vec{P}}(\omega,\vec{x})=\tilde{\chi}( \omega ) \tilde{\vec{E}}(\omega,\vec{x}).[/tex]

Two things:

1) Why does χ have to be entire in order to be retarded? I can't quite see that point.
2) Do you have a reference to this derivation?

Again, thanks.Niles.
 
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Can I please ask a moderator to perhaps move this thread to the homework section?
 
All constants are included in the symbol [itex]\chi[/itex]. It depends on the system of units you use. In SI units the dielectric constant of the vacuum is usually taken out of [itex]\chi[/itex], and then you have to write [itex]\epsilon_0 \chi[/itex]. In physics the SI is not a very intuitive system of units, and I prefer Heaviside-Lorentz units (which are rationalized Gauss units), where [itex]\epsilon_0=\mu_0=1[/itex].

To answer your second question, just look at

[itex]\chi(t,t')=\int_{\mathbb{R}} \frac{\mathrm{d} \omega}{2 \pi} \tilde{\chi}(\omega) \exp[-\mathrm{i} \omega (t-t')].[/itex]

You can evaluate this integral by using Cauchy's integral theorem (or the theorem of residues) by closing the integration path with a large semicircle in the upper or lower [itex]\omega[/itex]-half plane. In order to avoid divergences from the exponential function, you have to close the path in the upper (lower) plane, for [itex]t-t'<0[/itex] ([itex]t-t'>0[/itex]). In order to have [itex]\chi(t,t') \propto \Theta(t-t')[/itex], thus there must not be singularities of [itex]\tilde{\chi}(\omega)[/itex] in the upper [itex]\omega[/itex]-half plane, i.e., it should be an entire function there.

This you find in nearly any textbook on theoretical electromagnetism or optics. One very good source are Sommerfeld's lectures on theoretical physics (vol. III and particularly volume IV).
 
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Thanks, I'll have to sit down with my complex analysis book and go through your arguments. It's been a while since I've done these things. I'll post a reply, when I understand it (or if I mess it up).

Thanks for now.
 
I understand the argument now, thanks for simplifying it. If we go past linear response theory, and look at the n'th order susceptibility, then am I correct to say that the same property has to apply to [itex]\chi^{(n)}\propto \Theta(t-t_1) \Theta(t-t_2)\ldots \Theta(t-t_n)[/itex], i.e. that [itex]\chi^{(n)}[/itex] has to be entire in the upper complex (multidimensional?!) plane?Niles.
 
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