Different solutions to x/(1-x) by substitution and decomposition

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The problem involves integrating the expression x/(1-x) using different methods, specifically substitution and decomposition. Participants are exploring the validity of the resulting expressions from these methods.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss two methods for integration: substitution and decomposition. They question which of the resulting expressions is preferable or if both are equally valid. There is also a focus on the nature of constants in the solutions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have noted that both solutions are correct and suggest verifying this by taking derivatives. There is an acknowledgment of the arbitrary nature of constants in integration, leading to a productive discussion on combining constants.

Contextual Notes

Participants initially used the term "derive" instead of "integrate," which was corrected in the discussion. This highlights the importance of precise terminology in mathematical contexts.

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Homework Statement



Derive x/(1-x)

Homework Equations



By substitution:
u = (1-x)
du = -dx
∫x/(1-x)dx = -∫(1-u)/u du = ∫1-(1/u)du = u-log(u)+c = (1-x) - log(1-x) + c

By decomposition:
x/(1-x) = 1/(1-x)-1
∫1/(1-x)-1dx = -log(1-x)-x+c

The Attempt at a Solution


Which solutions should I use (1-x) - log(1-x) + c or -log(1-x)-x+c, or are both equally good?
 
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greentea said:

Homework Statement



Derive x/(1-x)

Homework Equations



By substitution:
u = (1-x)
du = -dx
∫x/(1-x)dx = -∫(1-u)/u du = ∫1-(1/u)du = u-log(u)+c = (1-x) - log(1-x) + c

By decomposition:
x/(1-x) = 1/(1-x)-1
∫1/(1-x)-1dx = -log(1-x)-x+c

The Attempt at a Solution


Which solutions should I use (1-x) - log(1-x) + c or -log(1-x)-x+c, or are both equally good?

You are integrating, not 'deriving'. But they are both correct. Take the derivative of both and see if they reduce to x/(1-x). They only differ by the constant 1.
 
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Sorry, I meant to say "integrate". Thanks for the response though.
 
As Dick said, both are correct. A trick that will help you in the future is to combine constants. In this case you have 1 + c. Since both are constants you can combine this into a new constant c' = 1+c. Then since the label of the constant is arbitrary, you can call this new constant c, and both answers are the same. Combining constants works for any operation so two constants multiplied together can be combined into a single constant, etc.
 

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