Differential (derivative from first principles)

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function f(x) = 1/(1 - x) using first principles. Participants are exploring the application of the limit definition of the derivative.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants attempt to apply the limit definition of the derivative but express uncertainty in simplifying their expressions. Some question the correctness of their algebraic manipulations and the interpretation of the limit process.

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There is ongoing exploration of the algebraic steps needed to simplify the derivative expression. Some participants have provided guidance on correcting notation and simplifying terms, while others are questioning the validity of their approaches without reaching a consensus.

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Participants note issues with parentheses and the need for careful simplification before taking the limit as h approaches 0. There is also mention of how the limit notation is presented in textbooks, which raises questions about clarity in communication.

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1. Homework Statement [/b]
find from the first principles the derivative of f(x) = [itex]\frac{1}{1 - x}[/itex]

Homework Equations


f'(a) = [itex]\frac{f(a+h) - f(a)}{h}[/itex]


The Attempt at a Solution



f'(x) = [itex]\frac{\frac{1}{1-(x+h)} - \frac{1}{1-x}}{h}[/itex]

f'(x) = [itex]\frac{(1-x) - (1-(x+h))}{h(1-x)(1-(x+h))}[/itex]

but I'm unsure where to go from here
 
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5ymmetrica1 said:
1. Homework Statement [/b]
find from the first principles the derivative of f(x) = [itex]\frac{1}{1 - x}[/itex]

Homework Equations


f'(a) = [itex]\frac{f(a+h) - f(a)}{h}[/itex]


The Attempt at a Solution



f'(x) = [itex]\frac{\frac{1}{1-(x+h)} - \frac{1}{1-x}}{h}[/itex]

f'(x) = [itex]\frac{(1-x) - (1-(x+h)}{h(1-x)(1-(x+h)}[/itex]

but I'm unsure where to go from here
You miss some parentheses. After fixing it, expand the expressions and simplify. Then take the limit h-->0.


ehild
 
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by opening up the top parentheses and expanding the bottom I get

[itex]\frac{1-x-1-x+h}{h(1-3x+x^2)}[/itex]

and upon simplifying I have...

[itex]\frac{-2x+h}{h-3xh+x^2h}[/itex]

is there correct or am I doing it wrong?
 
5ymmetrica1 said:
by opening up the top parentheses and expanding the bottom I get

[itex]\frac{1-x-1-x+h}{h(1-3x+x^2)}[/itex]

and upon simplifying I have...

[itex]\frac{-2x+h}{h-3xh+x^2h}[/itex]

is there correct or am I doing it wrong?


You are doing it wrong. -(1-x+h)=(-1+x-h).
 
5ymmetrica1 said:
f'(a) = [itex]\frac{f(a+h) - f(a)}{h}[/itex]
The equality sign tells us that the expression on the left represents the same number as the expression on the right. So this statement isn't true.

5ymmetrica1 said:
I'm unsure where to go from here
As Dick has already said, it's mainly a matter of simplifying the result correctly before you take the limit h→0.
 
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Fredrik said:
The equality sign tells us that the expression on the left represents the same number as the expression on the right. So this statement isn't true.
Do you mean there is something wrong with the equation?

This is exactly how it is written in my textbook
f'(a) = [itex]lim_{h→0}[/itex][itex]\frac{f(a+h) - f(a)}{h}[/itex]

accept h→0 is directly underneathe the lim part, but I am not sure how to write that on PF.
 
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f'(x) = [itex](\frac{h}{(1-x-h)(1-x)})(\frac{1}{h})[/itex]

f'(x) = [itex]\frac{1}{(1-x-h)(1-x)}[/itex]

f'(x) = [itex]\frac{1}{(1-x)^2}[/itex]

checking

f(x) = (1-x)-1

f'(x) = -(1-x)-2(-1)

f'(x) = [itex]\frac{1}{(1-x)^2}[/itex]

is this correct?
 
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5ymmetrica1 said:
Do you mean there is something wrong with the equation?

This is exactly how it is written in my textbook
f'(a) = [itex]lim_{h→0}[/itex][itex]\frac{f(a+h) - f(a)}{h}[/itex]

accept h→0 is directly underneathe the lim part, but I am not sure how to write that on PF.
I meant that you didn't include the "lim" part of it at all. You just wrote that f'(a) is equal to (f(a+h)-f(a))/h. This would mean that both notations represent the same number, and that there's no need to take a limit.

Hit the quote button to see how I'm doing this.
$$f'(a)=\lim_{h\to 0}\frac{f(a+h)-f(a)}{h}.$$ See the LaTeX FAQ for more.
 
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5ymmetrica1 said:
f'(x) = [itex](\frac{h}{(1-x-h)(1-x)})(\frac{1}{h})[/itex]

f'(x) = [itex]\frac{1}{(1-x-h)(1-x)}[/itex]

f'(x) = [itex]\frac{1}{(1-x)^2}[/itex]

checking

f(x) = (1-x)-1

f'(x) = -(1-x)-2(-1)

f'(x) = [itex]\frac{1}{(1-x)^2}[/itex]

is this correct?
You shouldn't include the part "f'(x)=" unless you also include a ##\lim_{h\to 0}##. You can start this way:
$$
\frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}=\frac{\frac{1}{1-x-h}-\frac{1}{1-x}}{h} =\frac{\frac{1-x-(1-x-h)}{(1-x-h)(1-x)}}{h} =\frac{1}{(1-x-h)(1-x)}
$$ Now you have to prove that regardless of the value of x, the right-hand side goes to ##(1-x)^{-2}## as ##h\to 0##. You either have to find a theorem that ensures that this is the case, or do an epsilon-delta proof.
 
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