Differential eqn that has a uknown function of x

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The discussion revolves around a differential equation involving multiple functions of x, specifically in the context of modeling wind turbine dynamics. The equation presented is the derivative of a product involving R(x) and V(x), set to zero, which is intended to describe the velocity in the turbine's wake.

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  • Participants explore the implications of setting the derivative of the product to zero and discuss the resulting constant equation. There are attempts to rewrite the equation in a quadratic form to isolate V(x). Questions arise regarding the determination of the constant and the implications of boundary conditions.

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Some participants have offered guidance on rewriting the equation and suggested using the quadratic formula. However, there is ongoing exploration regarding the correct application of boundary conditions and the determination of the constant, with no explicit consensus reached on the method to find C.

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Hi guys
i was wondering how one should tackle a differential eqn with multiple functions of x in it like this:
i.e d/dx(R(x)^2*V(x)*(V0-V(x))
 
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You'll need to give a little more information than that. What is what you have equal to? Is it really the derivative of that whole product?
 
Pengwuino said:
You'll need to give a little more information than that. What is what you have equal to? Is it really the derivative of that whole product?

sorry my bad

d/dx ( R(x)^2* V(x) * (Vo-V(x) ) =0

it is to be solved wrt 'V(x)'
i have gotten this from a problem related to a wind turbine
V(x) must be found as it describes velcoity in the turbine's wake at a distance x from the 1st turbine,so to estimate the windspeed available to the next turbine behind the first

V0 is constant
 
That just tells you that R(x)^2* V(x) * (Vo-V(x))= C, a constant. Of course, there are an infinite number of function pairs, (V, R), that satisfy that. To solve for V depending on R, Multiply the R^2V(V0- V)= R^2V0 V- R^2V^2 to write it as a quadratic equation,
R^2V^2- R^2V0V+ C= 0 and use the quadratic formula:

V(x)= \frac{R(x)V_0\pm\sqrt{R(x)^2V_0^2- 4C}}{2R(x)}
 
HallsofIvy said:
That just tells you that R(x)^2* V(x) * (Vo-V(x))= C, a constant. Of course, there are an infinite number of function pairs, (V, R), that satisfy that. To solve for V depending on R, Multiply the R^2V(V0- V)= R^2V0 V- R^2V^2 to write it as a quadratic equation,
R^2V^2- R^2V0V+ C= 0 and use the quadratic formula:

V(x)= \frac{R(x)V_0\pm\sqrt{R(x)^2V_0^2- 4C}}{2R(x)}

Thanks for replying
Here is what i have attempted:

d/dx ( R(x)^2* V(x) * (Vo-V(x) ) =0
In reality there should be a π before the R(X)^2= ∏(R(x)^2

Thus it was ought to be d/dx (∏(R(x)^2)*V(x)* (Vo-V(x) ) =0
Where R(x)= αx+r1=0.04x+33
∏(R(x)^2) =A(x) ‘area’ = (∏(0.04x+33)^2)

So rewriting this as a quadratic as you have said
As (∏(R(x)^2)*V(x)* (Vo-V(x) ) =constant
= (∏(R(x)^2)*V(x)* Vo - (∏(R(x)^2)*V(x)^2 +c
In form ax^2+bx+c=0
& For simplification
∏(R(x)^2) =A(x) ‘area’ = (∏(0.04x+33)^2)
0.04x+33
-A(x)V(x)^2 +A(x)VoV(x) +c =0

[PLAIN]http://www.texify.com/img/%5CLARGE%5C%21%20%20-A%28x%29V%28x%29%5E2%20%2BA%28x%29VoV%28x%29%20%2Bc%20%3D0.gif

[PLAIN]http://www.texify.com/img/%5CLARGE%5C%21V%28x%29%3D%5Cfrac%7B-%28A%28x%29Vo%5Cpm%5Csqrt%7B%28A%28x%29Vo%29%5E2-4%28-A%28x%29c%29%7D%7D%7B2%28-A%28x%29%29%7D.gif

and knowing that : A(x) ‘area’ = (∏(0.04x+33)^2)

[PLAIN]http://www.texify.com/img/%5CLARGE%5C%21V%28x%29%3D%5Cfrac%7B-%28%28%5Cpi%280.04x%2B33%29%5E2%29Vo%5Cpm%5Csqrt%7B%28%28%5Cpi%280.04x%2B33%29%5E2%29Vo%29%5E2-4%28-%28%5Cpi%280.04x%2B33%29%5E2%29c%29%7D%7D%7B2%28-%28%5Cpi%280.04x%2B33%29%5E2%29%29%7D.gif


How do I find the constant, I know that with boundary considtions x=0 V(x)=17
When I try I get C=0 and if I use that in my expression for V(x) I get 17 always at varying x


can you see what i am doing wrong?
 
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