Differential equation of gradually varied flow

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of a formula related to the differential equation of gradually varied flow in open channel hydraulics. Participants explore the relationships between various parameters involved in the equations, particularly focusing on the constants and variables used in the context of flow equations.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the derivation of the third formula for dy/dx and questions the correctness of an author's simplification to y^10/3.
  • Another participant suggests considering the ratio K0/K instead of just K, implying a different perspective on the variables involved.
  • There is a repeated inquiry about whether the constants n and b cancel out in the equations, indicating uncertainty about their roles in the derivation.
  • A later reply mentions that the participant does not see any issues with the working presented, but also expresses confusion about the overall context of the discussion.
  • One participant attempts to clarify the relationship between K0 and K, and how it relates to y0 and y, leading to a derived expression involving their ratios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the author's derivation or the cancellation of constants. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of the equations and the relationships between the variables.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of the variables and constants used in the equations, as well as the specific context of the flow conditions being analyzed.

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Homework Statement


I have no idea how the third formula of dy/dx is derived ...

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The Attempt at a Solution


I know that the Q = (1/n)(A)(R^2/3) [(s)(^0.5)] ,
Q = K [(s)(^0.5)]
, so , K= (1/n)(A)(R^2/3)

i know that for very wide channel , y = R
A = by
K= (1/n)(A)(R^2/3)
= (1/n)(by)(y^2/3)
= (1/n)(b)(y^5/3)
Thus , (K^2) = [[ (1/n)(b)]^2 ](y^10/3)
but , it seems that the author just got (y^10/3) ,

So , is the author wrong ?
 

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On first sight: no. Consider ##{K_0\over K}## instead of just ##K##.
There is no second sight because your use of the template is utterly unenlightening...
 
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BvU said:
On first sight: no. Consider ##{K_0\over K}## instead of just ##K##.
There is no second sight because your use of the template is utterly unenlightening...
sorry , i mean $$K_0$$ corresponds to $$y_0$$
and $$K$$ corresponds to $$y$$
 
Yes, I understand. Don't the n's and the b's cancel ?
 
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BvU said:
Yes, I understand. Don't the n's and the b's cancel ?
in my working , i can't cancel the n and b ... Is there anything wrong with my working ?
 
Not from what I can see :smile: because what I can see is nothing ...(refer to post #2). I have no idea what this is about.

I see you write ##K^2 = (b/n)^2\; y^{10/3}## and I add ##K_0^2 = (b/n) ^2\; y_0^{10/3}## leading to ##\left ( {K_0\over K}\right ) ^2 = \left ({y_0\over y}\right )^{10/3}##. That simple.
 
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