Differential gain of 3-stage amp

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the differential gain in terms of small signal parameters for a three-stage amplifier circuit, specifically focusing on the calculations and assumptions involved in the analysis.

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  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant shares their attempt at solving the problem, noting a discrepancy with the expected answer due to a missing factor of (1+gm(ro6 || ro7))^-1.
  • Another participant questions the clarity of the schematic image provided, suggesting that image rotation software could be used to correct its orientation.
  • A participant acknowledges the issue with the image upload and explains their difficulties using a different computer.
  • One participant identifies a mistake in their calculations regarding the output resistance of the third stage, clarifying that it is not simply ro7 || ro6 due to the non-zero Vgs of M6, which affects the dependent current source in the small signal model.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the correct calculation of the output resistance, as one participant corrects their earlier assumption while others have not yet responded to this clarification.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the small signal model and the implications of the output resistance calculations.

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Homework Statement


Find the differential gain int terms of small signal parameters of the attached image.


Homework Equations


I don't think we need any equations. Just some basic mosfet knowledge.
Not going to draw the small signal circuit, because it would take a long time.


The Attempt at a Solution


My attempt at the question is attached along with the schematic. When comparing my answer to
the answer in the solutions, I am missing a factor of (1+gm(ro6 || ro7))^-1
Where || means "in parallel." I am really close but it looks like I am missing a critical part. Thank you for your help.
 

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Hi perplexabot. Do you not have image software that will allow you to rotate images so they are the right way up? My monitor is light enough for me to rotate it by 90 degrees, but quite precarious to balance in that state.
 
NascentOxygen said:
Hi perplexabot. Do you not have image software that will allow you to rotate images so they are the right way up? My monitor is light enough for me to rotate it by 90 degrees, but quite precarious to balance in that state.

Hey, I am sorry about that, I am using my sisters Mac, and I have no idea how to use it. Can you not rotate it yourself?

EDIT: For some reason, after rotating it on my sisters mac and saving it. It still will not upload correctly. I apologize for the inconvenience.
 
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Hahahahaha. Thanks for that NascentOxygen.
My friend was kind enough to point out my problem. Turns out the third stage's (class A output stage) output resistance is not ro7 || ro6, this is due to the fact tha Vgs of M6 is not zero, so the dependent current source in the small signal hybrid pi model conducts current, hence I needed to take that into account when calculating output resistance. That is where the extra factor comes in.

Thank you.
 

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