Differential vs derivative explained

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of differential and derivative in the context of calculus, specifically relating to the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus. The original poster seeks clarification on the differences between two mathematical expressions involving integrals and their derivatives.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the distinction between differential and derivative forms, questioning the significance of the factor of dx. Some participants express uncertainty about the relevance of differentials in elementary calculus, while others suggest that the definitions are complex and may not be necessary for basic understanding.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the concepts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the definitions, but there is no explicit consensus on the importance of differentials versus derivatives in elementary calculus.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention differing educational backgrounds, with some indicating that they encountered differentials only at advanced levels of study. There is also a reference to the use of hyperreal numbers in the original poster's textbook, which adds to the complexity of the discussion.

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Really there is no problem to go with this question just something that I was discussing awhile back but was never really cleared up, what is the difference between:

[tex]d(\int^{x}_{a} f(t)dt) = f(x) dx[/tex]

and

[tex]\frac{d}{dx}\int^{x}_{a} f(t) dt = f(x)[/tex]

I understand that the top equation is called the differential form and the bottom is the derivative form and really that's about it. I was told that they were different by a factor of dx such that:

[tex]df = \frac{d}{dx}*dx[/tex]

but I really don't understand how that makes any difference because if dx is infinitely small how does that affect the answer of the problem?

This arose from the book that I am using introducing The Fundamental Theorem of Calculus with the differential form and not the derivative form which evidently is the norm. I really just want a little clarification on this issue and apologize in advance if this is something quite obvious.

Thanks!
 
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Hard to give an answers as the definitions are quite complex. They're the basic tools of differential geometry.
 
Ok let me rephrase then, is it at all important for me to know the difference when learning elementary calculus?
 
No, I never learned about differential until I was doing a masters course. If your calculus book if telling you about differentials, get another book.
 
ok well your reply implies that it somehow effects my answers even on basic equations in calculus to use differential definitions over derivative, is that what you meant? If not then why should I get a different book if comes out the same?
 
Just use the definition:
[tex] \frac{df}{dx}\Bigg|_{x=a}=f'(a)=\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(a+h)-f(a)}{h}[/tex]
this is what you seem to be calling the derivative form. Everything follows from the equation above. Don't worry about differentials.
 
ok, that is the very definition that my book illustrates but without the use of limits which are subbed for hyperreal numbers. Also I called that form the derivative form because either Dick or Mark44 called it that, is that not right?
 
I have never heard it called anything but the derivative.
 

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