Differentiating U_{ave} with respect to beta using summation notation

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Homework Statement



Find \frac{dU_{ave}}{d\beta}

where

U_{ave}=\sum_{k}\left(\frac{U_{k}exp(-U_{k}\beta)}{exp(-U_{k}\beta)}\right)


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The Attempt at a Solution



My answer is supposed to be -(U_{ave}^{2})+(U_{ave})^{2}

However I keep getting zero. I can only assume that the summation sign has something to do with the final form of the answer, but I have no idea how to deal with it. Can anyone offer a suggestion? Thanks
 
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I suspect you've written the problem incorrectly here. As you've written it,

U_{ave}=\sum_{k}\left(\frac{U_{k}exp(-U_{k}\beta)}{exp(-U_{k}\beta)}\right) = \sum_k U_k

What it should be is

U_{ave} = \frac{\sum_k U_k e^{-U_k \beta}}{\sum_k e^{-U_k \beta}}

This is a standard integral in statistical mechanics, and there's a neat trick that always goes along with solving it. Supposing U_k is indepent of beta, write the denominator as

-\sum_k \frac{\partial}{\partial \beta} e^{-U_k \beta}

Pull the derivative outside the sum, and you note that what you have looks like (1/y) dy/dx = d(ln y)/dx. Then, take the second derivative of that result:

-\frac{\partial}{\partial \beta} \frac{\partial \ln Z}{\partial \beta} = \mbox{answer}

where Z = \sum_k \exp(-U_k \beta).
 
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Hmm, I've transcribed the problem straight from the question sheet. I too had that thought.

I'm not sure I follow you with your methodology though. If I try to solve the equation using the standard quotient rule, it gives me zero - is there a reason for that?
 
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