Differing definitions of an inner product

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differing definitions of an inner product on vector spaces, specifically contrasting the bilinear map defined on a vector space \( V \) with the pairing defined on the dual space \( V^* \). Participants explore the implications of these definitions in the context of Riemannian metrics and the Riesz Representation theorem.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes two definitions of an inner product: one as a bilinear map on \( V \) and another as a pairing on \( V^* \), questioning the reason for the differing notations.
  • Another participant asserts that the pairing on \( V^* \times V \) is natural and does not induce extra structure on \( V \), while the bilinear map on \( V \times V \) relies on a specific identification of \( V \) and \( V^* \).
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether the domains of the two definitions are intended to be the same and asks about the identification mentioned in the original post.
  • One participant acknowledges an error in their previous comment regarding the notation used in the definitions.
  • A later reply emphasizes that while the product on \( V^* \times V \) is often written similarly, it is not typically referred to as an "inner product" unless in a less precise context, highlighting the significance of the Riesz Representation theorem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the definitions and their implications, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the identification between \( V \) and \( V^* \) and the implications of the definitions on the structure of vector spaces. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of what constitutes an inner product in different contexts.

Kreizhn
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Hey all,

This might seem like a stupid question, and this might not be the correct forum, but hopefully someone can clarify it really easily.

I often have seen two definitions of an inner product on a vector space. Firstly, it can be defined as a bilinear map on a \mathbb F-vector space V as
\langle \cdot, \cdot \rangle : V \times V \to \mathbb F[/itex]<br /> satisfying the usual inner product conditions. An example that comes to mind is the Riemannian metric, which is a 2-tensor and so acts on two copies of a tangent space. Alternatively, I&#039;ve seen it defined as<br /> \langle \cdot, \cdot \rangle : V^* \times V \to \mathbb F<br /> satisfying the usual inner product conditions. An example that comes to mind here is the formalism used in the Riesz Representation theorem.<br /> <br /> The only place I&#039;ve really seen the first definition is in the case of Riemannian metrics, hence the motivation for posting this discussion in this forum. <br /> <br /> Now I know that for finite dimensional vector spaces that V and V^* are isomorphic: is this the reason for the differing notations? Or is it perhaps that in the second case when the domain is V^*\times V we&#039;ve some how canonically identified a vector v \in V with its induced linear functional<br /> v \mapsto \langle v, \cdot \rangle?<br /> <br /> Again, this may seem really simple but I&#039;d appreciate any response.
 
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The pairing

<br /> \langle \cdot, \cdot \rangle : V^* \times V \to \mathbb F <br />

i s natural and it is not inducing an extra structure on V. On the other hand

<br /> \langle \cdot, \cdot \rangle : V \times V \to \mathbb F <br />

is essentially the same as fixing a particular identification of V and V* (though it is somewhat more complicated for sesquilinear scalar products).
 
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Are those supposed to be the same domains? And is there a particular identification, like the one I mentioned in my original post?
 
I have made an error in my comment (unnecessary star in the second formula). Now corrected.
 
Kreizhn said:
Alternatively, I've seen it defined as
\langle \cdot, \cdot \rangle : V^* \times V \to \mathbb F
satisfying the usual inner product conditions. An example that comes to mind here is the formalism used in the Riesz Representation theorem.
While I have seen the natural product on V* x V written with that notation,
I have never seen it called an "inner product", except when being sloppy. The big point of the Riesz Representation theorem is that for the particular topological inner product space of interest, every continuous linear functional is the transpose of a vector.
 

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