Differntiating natural logs of x and y functions

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The discussion focuses on finding the derivative dy/dx for the equation ln(x^2 + 1) + ln(y + 1) = x + y using implicit differentiation. Participants emphasize the importance of applying the chain rule correctly, noting that the derivative of ln(x^2 + 1) is not simply 1/(x^2 + 1). There is a suggestion to show the working steps to identify errors in the differentiation process. The conversation highlights the need to multiply by the derivative of the bracket when using the chain rule. Proper application of these differentiation techniques is crucial for obtaining the correct expression for dy/dx.
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i have a question I'm attempting as extra work, I have tried the usual method but no luck... find expressionsf for dy/dx in terms of x and y:

ln(x^2+1) + ln(y+1) = x +y
 
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Do you know how to do implicit differentiation?
 
yes, that's the method i tried, but i get the wrong answer
 
If you show your working we'll try to correct you.
 
dy/dx - 1/ x^2 +1 + 1 / y+1.dy/dx = 1 + dy/dx

=1 /x^2+1 - 1 = dy/dx(1-1/y+1)

dy/dx = (x^2 + 1)^-1 - 1/ 1- (y+1)^-1
 
Remember \frac{d}{dx} \ln(x^2 +1) \neq \frac{1}{x^2+1}

You need to use the chain rule to get the proper derivative.
 
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Jeff Ford said:
Remember \frac{d}{dx} \ln(x^2 +1) \neq \frac{1}{x^2+1}

You need to use the chain rule to get the proper derivative.

Yes you need to multiply this by the derivative of the bracket :smile:
 

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