Diffraction of water wave vs diffraction of light wave

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the differences in diffraction patterns observed in water waves compared to light waves, specifically addressing the presence of fringes and the underlying mechanisms of interference in both cases. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications related to wave behavior in diffraction scenarios.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why diffraction of water waves does not produce fringes like those seen in light waves.
  • Another participant suggests that the use of a ripple tank could clarify the behavior of water waves in diffraction.
  • A question is posed about whether constructive and destructive interference occurs in the diffraction of water waves through a single slit.
  • One participant explains that the propagation of waves from an aperture can be viewed as a collection of plane waves interfering, but cautions that surface waves are complex due to their three-dimensional and nonlinear nature.
  • A participant inquires about the diffraction of light from a single slit, discussing the theoretical basis of point sources and the conditions for dark fringes, while questioning the impact of slight angle variations on the interference pattern.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the relationship between angles and distances in the context of far-field diffraction patterns.
  • A further elaboration is made on the pairing of point sources at the slit and the implications for dark fringes, raising concerns about the potential for additional rays affecting the established dark fringe pattern.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of diffraction patterns in water versus light waves, with no consensus reached on the mechanisms or implications of interference in these contexts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific effects of angle variations on dark fringes in light diffraction.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the complexity of surface wave behavior and the assumptions made about wave interactions in different media. The discussion also highlights the dependence on theoretical models and definitions used in wave diffraction analysis.

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Why isn't there fringes in diffraction of water wave but bright and dark fringes in the diffraction of light wave?
 
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Do constructive and destructive interference occur also in diffraction of water waves by single slit?
 
In a sense, yes. propagation of a wave from an aperture can be thought of as a collection of plane waves all interfering to produce the observed diffraction pattern (plane-wave decomposition).

Surface waves can be very complicated because they are intrinsically a 3-dimensional problem, and a nonlinear problem (see, for example, Lamb "Hydrodynamics", chapter 9), so using them as an analogy to electromagnetic waves requires caution.
 
Also, I want to ask about the diffraction of light from single slit.
In theory, the single slit is regarded to have many strips(point sources)
By pointing different angles, the point sources can pairing up to cause some places at a distance d apart dark fringe. However, from the theory, it is said that we only consider the angle from the point souces is the same and parallel wave rays occur. Owing to a path difference and the actual distance between between the rays is small, destructive interference occur at those dark fringe places. But, I want to ask when the angle is different by a little bit, another ray from a particular point souce may reach the place of dark fringe, which is initially explained by cancelling of parallel rays from different pairing sources, so will this another ray which reach the dark fringe affect the dark fringe?

revelant source:
http://www.math.ubc.ca/~cass/courses/m309-03a/m309-projects/krzak/index.html
 
I'm not sure what you are asking. The far-field diffraction pattern is at infinity, so it makes more sense to cast the problem in terms of angles rather than distances, but otherwise, I can't quite parse your post.
 
Let say a board is placed at distance d from the slit.
We should find alternative dark and bright fringes there.
Let's consider the first dark fringe.
From the theory, point sources at the slit can pair up. For each pair, their wavelets will cancel each other at the dark fringe. Therefoe if we consider all the pairs, there will still be dark fringe. Take the pair of the highest and the middle point source as an example. In theory, their wavelets can cancel each other at the dark fringe. However, the wavelets are spherical. For the area enclosed by the two parallel rays from that two sources, the ray at a different angle from one of the sources may cross this area. But now this ray cannot find anything to have destructive interference. So is this strange?
 

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