Diffraction of Waves through a circular aperture

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the diffraction of waves through a circular aperture, specifically focusing on calculating the power intensity of waves, particularly electromagnetic waves, when diffracted through such an aperture. The context includes experimental applications related to Faraday's cages and the behavior of mobile phones in these scenarios.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a formula for calculating the power intensity of waves diffracted through a circular aperture.
  • Another participant references the far-field diffraction pattern and the Airy diffraction pattern as relevant concepts.
  • A participant describes an experiment involving a phone inside a metal box with a hole, aiming to determine the intensity of waves that can penetrate the cage.
  • There is a suggestion to consider the sensitivity of the phone to determine the necessary signal level for operation.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the phone operating with extremely weak signals and suggests testing with different phone models.
  • A later reply proposes constructing a monopole antenna to measure voltage and discusses using a periodic mode-matching wave solver to estimate transmitted power through the cage, noting limitations in the approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of phones operating under very weak signals, and there is no consensus on a simplified expression for calculating wave intensity in the described scenario. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to quantify the intensity of the waves.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations related to the complexity of the situation, including the effects of various factors on wave intensity and the assumptions made about the phone's operation under different signal levels.

mrh1192
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Hi

I was just wondering if anyone knew a formula for calculating the power intensity of waves, when diffracted through a circular aperture?

I have searched all over the net, but cannot find one which solves for the power intensity of the wave directly.
 
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The far-field diffraction pattern is a well known result [J1(kr)/kr]- what are you having a problem with?
 
Thanks guys

What I am trying to apply this to, is the calculation of the wave intensity of an electromagnetic wave when it passes through a Faraday's cage, which is unable to successfully shield from all radiation.

In testing this, I have placed a phone inside a metal box, and slowly increased the size of a single hole in the box, until the phone started to ring.

Now that I have obtained the diameter of the hole necessary, I was wondering if it was possible to calculate the intensity of the waves that were passing into the cage.
 
That's very clever- mind if I use that for a lab someday?

The easiest thing to do is simply find out the sensitivity of the phone- what signal level does it need to operate?
 
Sure, go ahead!

I assume that the phone will operate with any signal level, as long as it isn't zero.

Is there a simplified expression that solves directly for the intensity of the waves, that you know of?
 
Not for your situation- there's too many effects.
 
mrh1192 said:
I assume that the phone will operate with any signal level, as long as it isn't zero.
I highly doubt this! I can in no way justify my claim, but I would find it very odd if an extremely weak signal could make the phone operate.

You should at least try it with different phone models to see if it makes a difference.
 
Nick89 said:
I highly doubt this! I can in no way justify my claim, but I would find it very odd if an extremely weak signal could make the phone operate.

You should at least try it with different phone models to see if it makes a difference.

Yeah, why not just make a monopole antenna and measure the voltage off of it? All you need is a copper plate and a coax cable. If you want to calculate the leaked the radiation, one thing you can do is use a periodic mode-matching wave solver. You can estimate the cage as mesh of rectangular cylinders with a finite conductivity. You can then solve for the transmitted modes and add up the significant contributors to estimate the transmitted power. This will ignore leakage due to seams and imperfect connections and such though.
 

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