Engineering Digital Communications: Bit Error Rate (BER), C/N, Constellations

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The discussion revolves around understanding the relationship between carrier-to-noise ratio (C/N) and signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) in digital communications, particularly in the context of a QPSK modulation scheme. The original poster is uncertain about how to approach the problem due to a lack of provided bandwidth and data rate. Participants suggest estimating signal amplitudes and decision thresholds based on the constellation diagram, while also noting the spectral inefficiency of sharp transitions in pulse shapes. The conversation highlights the challenge of decoding data when the signal amplitude is comparable to the RMS noise amplitude. Resources on C/N and bit error rate (BER) for various modulation schemes are recommended for further understanding.
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Homework Statement
Please see a snippet of the problem below.
Relevant Equations
C/N = (Eb/N0) * (data rate/bandwidth)
Problem Statement:

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I am not quite sure how to approach this problem and would appreciate the help. I how the C/N is closely related to the SNR (Eb/N0), but the question does not give the bandwidth or data rate for me to use the formula above. From the constellation diagram, my guess is this is QPSK modulation scheme, but even that is a guess. Can anyone help?
 
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ashah99 said:
Homework Statement:: Please see a snippet of the problem below.
Relevant Equations:: C/N = (Eb/N0) * (data rate/bandwidth)

Problem Statement:

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I am not quite sure how to approach this problem and would appreciate the help. I how the C/N is closely related to the SNR (Eb/N0), but the question does not give the bandwidth or data rate for me to use the formula above. From the constellation diagram, my guess is this is QPSK modulation scheme, but even that is a guess. Can anyone help?
Is there any more information given?
 
tech99 said:
Is there any more information given?
Unfortunately not, which is why I ask for help.

I could show you the entire problem if you would like, but it is irrelevant in my opinion. The other parts were to sketch the in-phase and quadrature phase voltage signals that would be sent to an IQ-modulator and to discuss a drawback in using the given symbol with that pulse shape (sharp transitions makes it spectrally inefficient is my answer).
 
tech99 said:
Is there any more information given?
Any additional thoughts?
 
I think in essence we take the signal amplitude as 1 volt. As we have two quadrature carriers, half the power is in each, so each phase has 0.7 volt peak. Next we measure the distance between the nearest points on the constellation. This looks like 0.35 volt. So the decision threshold, where the detector decides 0 or 1, will be half that = 0.18 volt. Then we find the RMS noise amplitude, which is 1 Volt - 15dB = 0.18. So the detector is seeing a signal at the same amplitude as the RMS noise. In this situation it cannot decode data.
Sorry I am not too expert on these calculations and I might be slightly out in the explanation. There are several web sites talking about C/N and BER for different modulation schemes.
 
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