Dihedral Group D_4: Denotations & Correspondence

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The discussion revolves around the denotations and correspondence of elements in the dihedral group ##D_4##, focusing on the relationships between rotations and reflections. Participants explore different notations and their implications for understanding the group's structure.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant mentions their class's notation for the elements of ##D_4## and expresses confusion over differing notations found online.
  • Another participant explains the correspondence between rotations and reflections, suggesting that if ##R_{90}## denotes a counterclockwise rotation, then the group can be generated by ##r = R_{90}## and ##f = F_{\nwarrow}##.
  • A question is raised about the correspondence between the reflection elements denoted by ##s## and the flips in the group.
  • It is proposed that any of the four flips can be assigned to ##s##, as they all satisfy the necessary group properties, and a geometric verification is suggested.
  • A detailed algebraic verification is provided to show that the choice of which flip corresponds to ##s## does not affect the group's defining properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree on the algebraic properties of the elements of ##D_4##, but there is no consensus on the specific correspondence of the reflection elements denoted by ##s##, as multiple options are discussed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of rotations and reflections, and the implications of these definitions on the group's structure remain unresolved.

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In my class, we have denoted the elements of the dihedral group ##D_4## as ##\{R_0, R_{90}, R_{180}, R_{270}, F_{\nearrow}, F_{\nwarrow}, F_{\leftrightarrow}, F_{\updownarrow} \}##. Not surprising, I was rather bewildered when I searched the internet for information on this group and encountered other denotations of the elements of ##D_4##.

The standard denotation appears to be using ##r##'s and ##s##'s. I figured that ##r = R_{90}##, ##r^2 = R_{180}##, and ##R_{270} = r^3##. However, I was unsure of the correspondence between the other elements. Could someone possibly help me with this?
 
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Assuming ##R_{90}## denotes counterclockwise rotation by ##90## degrees, and we use the convention that ##ab## means "do ##b## first, then ##a##", you can check that
##R_{90} F_{\updownarrow} = F_{\nwarrow}##
##R_{180} F_{\updownarrow} = F_{\leftrightarrow}##
##R_{270} F_{\updownarrow} = F_{\nearrow}##
so if we put ##r = R_{90}## and ##f = F_{\nwarrow}## then the group is generated by ##r## and ##f##. Moreover, ##r## has order ##4## and ##f## has order ##2##, and you can verify that ##f r f = r^{-1}##; indeed, the relations ##r^4 = f^2 = e## and ##frf = r^{-1}## suffice to define the group.
 
Okay, but what is the correspondence between ##s## and the flips (or reflections)?
 
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Okay, but what is the correspondence between ##s## and the flips (or reflections)?
You can take ##s## to be anyone of the four flips/reflections, because all four of them satisfy ##s^2 = e## and ##srs = r^{-1}##. Try it with a square sheet of paper to verify this.

To verify algebraically that it doesn't matter which flip we assign to ##s##, first choose ##s## to be one of the flips and verify geometrically that it satisfies ##s^2 = e## and ##srs = r^{-1}##. Then note that the other three flips are ##rs##, ##r^2s##, and ##r^3 s##. Then if we set ##f_k = r^k s## for ##k=0,1,2,3##, we compute
$$f_k^2 = f_k f_k = r^k s r^k s = r^k (s r^k s) = r^k r^{-k} = e$$
where the third inequality holds by repeatedly applying ##s r s = r^{-1}##. So ##f_k## is its own inverse. Then
$$f_k r f_k = (r^k s) r (r^k s) = r^k (s r^{k+1} s) = r^k (r^{-(k+1)}) = r^{-1}$$
We have therefore shown that ##f_k## satisfies ##f_k^2 = e## and ##f_k r f_k = r^{-1}## for ##k=0,1,2,3##, so any of the ##f_k## obeys the defining properties of ##s##.
 
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