Dimensional Motion Homework: Find Displacement, Speed, Velocity

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The discussion focuses on calculating displacement, average speed, and average velocity for a motorist's journey with multiple segments. Participants emphasize the importance of treating distance and displacement differently, noting that total distance is the sum of all segments without regard to direction, while displacement requires vector addition. The correct approach involves calculating individual displacements for each segment, converting time into seconds, and then summing these vectors to find total displacement. Confusion arises around dividing vectors by time for average velocity, but it is clarified that this is valid as time is a scalar. The final answers for displacement, average speed, and average velocity are provided as 4.87 km at 209 degrees, 23.3 m/s, and 13.5 m/s at 209 degrees, respectively.
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Homework Statement


A motorists drives south at 20.0 m/s for 3.0min, then turns west and travels at 25.0m/s for 2.0min and finally travels northwest at 30.0m/s for 1.00min. For this 6.00 min trip, find:
a)the total vector displacement
b) the average speed
c)the average velocity
Let the positive x-axis point east


Homework Equations



v=deltavectorR/delta-t
vector-v=d-vectorR/dt=dx/dt(i)+dy/dt(j)
vectorR=vectorR(i)+vector-velocity(t)+1/2vector-at^2

The Attempt at a Solution


I drew a diagram, to make the problem clearer. I think t=6min xi=25.om/s. But then I have two y-components

Thanks for your time
 
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How did you approach part a) ?
 
its displacement vector: deltavectorR=vectorR(f)-vectorR(i)

But I don't know how to go about the final and initial displacement. I am confused
 
innightmare said:
its displacement vector: deltavectorR=vectorR(f)-vectorR(i)

But I don't know how to go about the final and initial displacement. I am confused

Find the displacement in the east/west direction... then the north/south direction...

I'd write each displacement as a vector (taking i horizontally, j vertically, postive east and north):

ie: the first part (20*3*60)

\vec{r} = -3600\vec{j}

Does that make sense... same way write all 3 displacements. Then add them.
 
ok, its starting to kick in. now for b): wouldn't average velocity be=my value for deltavectorr/delta t??
 
innightmare said:
ok, its starting to kick in. now for b): wouldn't average velocity be=my value for deltavectorr/delta t??

yes, that would be for average velocity... average speed will be different.
 
OK-so if my displacement are in terms of vectors, then how in the world is b) computed. B/c the average velocity is deltaR/delta t...but my delta-displacement is going to be in vectors. how in the world am i supposed to divide vectors.

also average speed is total distance/delta t.
 
innightmare said:
OK-so if my displacement are in terms of vectors, then how in the world is b) computed. B/c the average velocity is deltaR/delta t...but my delta-displacement is going to be in vectors. how in the world am i supposed to divide vectors.

also average speed is total distance/delta t.

You need to find the total distance travelled. then divide by time.
 
for the total distance do i add the total values given? and what about average velocity?
 
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innightmare said:
for the total distance do i add the total values given? and what about average velocity?

find the distance traveled in each segment and add them up. distance is not displacement. With distance, you're ignoring direction.

Average velocity is the total displacement/time.

Did you calculate the displacement vectors for each section. Add up those vectors and you get the total displacement.

For total distance, you're just adding up numbers, not vectors.
 
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for the average velocity, isn't my displacement in vectors, and if so then how is it divided by time? i did calculate the displacement for each section
 
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innightmare said:
for the average velocity, isn't my displacement in vectors, and if so then how is it divided by time? i did calculate the displacement for each section

Add up all the displacements of each section... that gives total displacement as a vector... divide that by the total time... we can divide vectors by scalars... time is just a scalar.
 
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OK-Ive added my vectors, but it still hasnt given me the same answers in the book. In the book:a)4.87km at 209 degree from east
b) 23.3 ms
c)13.5m/s at 209
I converted the given values into meters. for instance:{3.0min*60s/min}which then i computed 20.0m/s*180s=-3600
This was what I've done for each one.
then (0,-vt)=(0,-3600)
(v2t2,-vt)= (3000, -3600)
(v3t3)=(-2545.6,3600)

This is the part where i get lost. for vector i=2745.4, j=-3600
If the question asks for total vector displacement, why is the answer 4.87 at an 209 angle

For b) my time would be 6min, but for my total length, would i total my values i converted into meters?

AGAIN-thank you sooooo much for your patience
 
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innightmare said:
OK-Ive added my vectors, but it still hasnt given me the same answers in the book. In the book:a)4.87km at 209 degree from east
b) 23.3 ms
c)13.5m/s at 209
I converted the given values into meters. for instance:{3.0min*60s/min}which then i computed 20.0m/s*180s=-3600
This was what I've done for each one.
then (0,-vt)=(0,-3600)
(v2t2,-vt)= (3000, -3600)
(v3t3)=(-2545.6,3600)

I don't understand your numbers... Are you getting the displacement over each section? For example... 25.0m/s west for 2.0min is a displacement of (-3000,0). How do you get (3000,-3600) ?
 
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those are my x and y components. I am over-complicated this, arent i
 
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