Diode OR Gate - the role of resistor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the role of a resistor in a diode OR gate circuit, specifically addressing the implications of removing the resistor while maintaining a connection to ground. The scope includes technical explanations and conceptual clarifications related to digital logic and circuit behavior.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the effect of removing the resistor, suggesting that the output voltage might be undefined if both inputs are low.
  • Another participant clarifies that the resistor ensures the output is low when both inputs are low, implying that without it, the output could be undefined.
  • A further inquiry is made about the definition of "low," with a participant suggesting that if both inputs are grounded, the output would also be grounded and therefore defined.
  • One participant provides details on the voltage ranges that define a logic zero in digital logic, noting variations depending on the technology used, specifically mentioning TTL devices.
  • A question arises regarding the calculation of current in the output, with a participant asking if the output branch and the resistor-ground branch should be considered connected in parallel.
  • Another participant confirms that the current through the resistor is not the same as the current going to the load connected to the output, but the voltage remains the same.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of removing the resistor, with some asserting that it leads to an undefined output while others suggest the output remains defined under certain conditions. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the overall impact of the resistor's removal.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific voltage ranges for logic levels, indicating that definitions may depend on the technology used. There is also a lack of clarity regarding the exact behavior of the circuit without the resistor, leaving some assumptions unresolved.

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Hi! What would happen if the resistor in the attached diode OR gate removed (connection with the ground would be preserved)?
 

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It ensures that the output is low when both of the inputs are low. Without the resistor, the output voltage would be undefined in that case.
 
What do you mean by the word "low".. like when the inputs are of zero potential, when they're grounded? In that case the output would be also grounded and therefore defined... Or am I mistaken?
 
In digital logic, a logic zero or low would occur when the input is somewhere in the range of 0 - 2V. Its probably less than 2V, that varies depending on technology being used. For TTL devices, I believe it 0V-0.8V for a logic zero.

The output is always grounded via the resistor i.e. the output is voltage drop across the resistor and not taken directly from ground.
 
ok, thanks a lot. Another problem occurs when I am about to calculate the current in the output - should I take the output branch and the resistor-ground branch as connected in parallel?
 
Yup. The current through the resistor is not the same current going to the load connected to the output. The voltage however is the same.
 
Ok, that makes it clear. Thanks
 

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