Dirac Hydrogen Atom: Parity and Odd-Operator

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of the Dirac hydrogen atom, specifically focusing on the implications of parity and the behavior of odd operators within this context. Participants explore the mathematical relationships and implications of these concepts, particularly in relation to the diagonal elements of odd operators.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the diagonal elements of an odd operator are zero when states have definite parity.
  • Another participant suggests that the term "fixed" in the original text should be interpreted as "definite".
  • A third participant provides a mathematical argument showing that if an operator is odd and acts on a state with definite parity, the expectation value must be zero, leading to the conclusion that the diagonal elements of the odd operator must vanish.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the initial statement about diagonal elements being zero, with some seeking clarification while others provide reasoning that supports the claim. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore different interpretations and mathematical justifications.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the definitions of parity and odd operators, as well as the mathematical properties of quantum states. There are unresolved aspects regarding the interpretation of terms and the implications of the mathematical relationships presented.

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Hey I was reading through a text and came across:
"[ Having extracted the Dirac version of Schrödinger's equation of the H atom...] Since the states | j j_z l > have definite parity, the odd-operator \vec{S} \cdot \hat{r} will have vanishing diagonal elements. Also since \big(\vec{S} \cdot \hat{r} \big)^2 =1 then its offdiagonal elements will be \frac{1}{2} e^{\pm i \phi} (we can choose the phase \phi=0)[...]"

I can understand the second statement from the Pauli matrices... However I think that I don't understand the 1st statement as it is... why would the diagonal elements of an odd-operator be zero if parity is definite?
 
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I think what they mean as "fixed" is actually "definite".
 
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Yup understand that... (a flaw in my translation :biggrin:)...I don't understand why the diagonal elements are zero.
 
If ##A## is an odd operator and ##\pi## is a parity operator, then we have ##\pi^\dagger A \pi = -A##. If furthermore a state ##|\psi\rangle## which has a definite parity sandwhiches the expression ##\pi^\dagger A \pi = -A## from left and right in each side of the equation, you will get ##\langle \psi| A |\psi \rangle = -\langle \psi|A|\psi \rangle## because ##\langle \psi|\pi^\dagger A \pi|\psi \rangle = \langle \psi| A |\psi \rangle##. You see then we must require ##\langle \psi| A |\psi \rangle = 0## so that the previous relation can hold.
 
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