Direction of induced electric field?

In summary, the direction of the induced electric field is determined by the direction of the change in magnetic flux. According to Faraday's law of induction, a changing magnetic flux will induce an electric field that is perpendicular to the direction of the change in flux. This direction can be further determined using Lenz's law, which states that the induced field will oppose the change in flux that created it. Therefore, the direction of the induced electric field can be predicted by considering the direction of the change in magnetic flux and the principles of Faraday's and Lenz's laws.
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If there is a very very big(infinitely big) region of space where ## \frac {dB} {dt} = constant ## what would be the E field at any point? Obviously ## \nabla x E = constant ## but what after that ?
 
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I don't think I have a complete answer to your question, but a thread recently appeared that might be somewhat helpful. The induced electric field does not require any local ## dB/dt ## for ## E ## to be non-zero at that point. See https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/flux-through-a-coil.940861/page-2#post-5952718 ## \\ ## One additional comment, in writing the "curl" in Latex, use "\" and "times" together to get the ## \times ## sign.
 
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This post has made me wonder even more. Should there be an emf in this case too?
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1tuqI1S7juh8iZhb8t2TaPrVm82CaL5mU
I am saying this because the induced E field is stronger the closer you get to the region with changing magnetic field.

And If it does, Doesn't this kind of violate the fact that the flux through the loop should be changing to create an E field?
 
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PumpkinCougar95 said:
This post has made me wonder even more. Should there be an emf in this case too?
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1tuqI1S7juh8iZhb8t2TaPrVm82CaL5mU
I am saying this because the induced E field is stronger the closer you get to the region with changing magnetic field.

And If it does, Doesn't this kind of violate the fact that the flux through the loop should be changing to create an E field?
I can't see the image in this post. Maybe it will become visible in a few minutes...
 
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PumpkinCougar95 said:
loop should be changing to create an E field

I meant inducing a current.

Edit: Here it is https://drive.google.com/open?id=1tuqI1S7juh8iZhb8t2TaPrVm82CaL5mU
 
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PumpkinCougar95 said:
And If it does, Doesn't this kind of violate the fact that the flux through the loop should be changing to create an E field?

So what do you think?
 
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PumpkinCougar95 said:
So what do you think?
You can have an ## E ## field at locations on a loop where there is zero changing magnetic flux through that loop. That is ok. In traveling around that loop, you would find ## \oint E \cdot ds =0 ##. This doesn't mean that ## E ## needs to be zero everywhere on the loop for the integral to be zero. (Hopefully this answers your question here). This result follows from ## \nabla \times E=-\frac{\partial{B}}{\partial{t}} ##, integrated over an area, along with Stokes theorem. The result is quite exact. ## \\ ## Additional note: In many cases, computing the ## E=E(r) ## and performing a path integral of this ## E ## over even a simple loop like a circle could be quite difficult. Stokes theorem gives this result immediately. Doing the calculation the long way might take a couple of hours or longer to get this zero result.
 
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Charles Link said:
You can have an EE E field at locations on a loop where there is zero changing magnetic flux through that loop. That is ok. In traveling around that loop, you would find ∮E⋅ds=0∮E⋅ds=0 \oint E \cdot ds =0 . This doesn't mean that EE E needs to be zero everywhere on the loop for the integral to be zero.

But ## \oint E \cdot ds =0 ## is NOT true in this case, Even though flux is zero through the loop at all times:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=18tjoiyAjjD1XAXgmZn_3UKgbtMrFZ6zz
 
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PumpkinCougar95 said:
But ## \oint E \cdot ds =0 ## is NOT true in this case, Even though flux is zero through the loop at all times:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=18tjoiyAjjD1XAXgmZn_3UKgbtMrFZ6zz
You have two parts of the loop where ## E ## is perpendicular to ## ds ## giving zero. Then you have two radii, ## \gamma_1 ## and ## \gamma_2 ##. ## E(r)=(A)(\frac{dB}{dt})/(2 \pi r ) ##, with ## A=\pi R^2 ##. For one arc, the path length is ## L_1= \gamma_1 \theta ##. For the other arc, the path length is ## L_2=-\gamma_2 \theta ##, ( with a minus sign). ## E_1=C/\gamma_1 ## and ## E_2=C/\gamma_2 ## for the same constant ## C ##. Thereby, ## E_1 L_1 +E_2 L_2=0 ## This one clearly has ## \oint E \cdot ds=0 ##.
 
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oh, Thanks a lot! Now, what about the first question?

PumpkinCougar95 said:
If there is a very very big(infinitely big) region of space where ## \frac {dB} {dt} = constant ## what would be the E field at any point? Obviously ## \nabla x E = constant ## but what after that ?

Is it possible to find this out without some sort of boundary condition?
 
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What is the direction of the induced electric field?

The direction of the induced electric field is always perpendicular to both the direction of the changing magnetic field and the direction of the motion of the conductor or coil. This is known as the right-hand rule.

How is the direction of the induced electric field determined?

The direction of the induced electric field is determined by the relative motion between the conductor or coil and the magnetic field. If the motion is parallel to the magnetic field, no induced electric field is produced.

Can the direction of the induced electric field be reversed?

Yes, the direction of the induced electric field can be reversed by changing the direction of the magnetic field or the direction of the motion of the conductor or coil.

What factors affect the strength of the induced electric field?

The strength of the induced electric field is affected by the strength of the changing magnetic field, the speed of the motion, and the number of turns in the conductor or coil.

What is the significance of the direction of the induced electric field?

The direction of the induced electric field is important because it determines the direction of the induced current, which can have practical applications such as generating electricity in power plants or inducing currents in transformers.

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