Discontinuity and limits of functions

In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of a real-valued function that is discontinuous everywhere but has a limit at every point in its domain. The speaker's intuition is that this is not possible because a function with limits at every point must be continuous in some neighborhood of that point. However, a proof is provided that shows a function with limits at every point can only have countably many discontinuities, meaning it cannot be discontinuous at every point. This is proven by considering the set of discontinuities and showing that it is countable. The conversation also mentions that the set of discontinuities may not consist only of isolated points, giving an example of a function that is discontinuous at the rationals but has limit zero
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Is there a real-valued function which is discontinuous everywhere, but which has a limit at every point in it's domain?

My intuition is that this couldn't occur because, if the limit exists at some x, then it must become "increasingly continuous" in the vicinity of x (otherwise we could find sequences to that point with different limits under that function). Then, we could perhaps conclude that f must be continuous in some neighborhood of x. This is of course not a formal proof, though, and I haven't been able to formalize it, hence my curiosity.
 
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Your intuition is mostly correct. Here's a proof -- suppose that f is a function that has limits at any point. Let [itex]g(x) = |f(x) - \lim_{t \rightarrow x} f(t)|[/itex]. Then g(x) is a nonnegative function. For each a>0, define [itex]S_a = \{ x : g(x) \geq a\}[/itex]. We wish to show that S_a must be a set of isolated points. Let [itex]x \in S_a[/itex] be arbitrary, and let [itex]L = \lim_{t \rightarrow x} f(t)[/itex]. By definition there is some δ>0 such that [itex]0<|x-t|<\delta \Rightarrow |f(t)-L|<a/2[/itex]. Let y be any point with 0 < |y-x| < δ. Clearly |f(y) - L| < a/2. But also note that for all t sufficiently close to y, we also have 0 < |t-x| < δ, so for all t sufficiently close to y we have |f(t) - L| < a/2 and taking limits as t→y we get [itex]|\lim_{t \rightarrow y} f(t) - L| \leq a/2[/itex]. So then [itex]g(y) = |f(y) - \lim_{t \rightarrow y} f(t)| \leq |f(y) - L| + |L - \lim_{t \rightarrow y} f(t)| < a/2 + a/2 = a[/itex]. Hence [itex]y \not \in S_a[/itex]. Since this holds for any y in a deleted neighborhood of x, x is in an isolated point of S_a, and as x was arbitrary, S_a consists only of isolated points. In particular, S_a must be countable.

The rest of the proof is now easy -- the set of discontinuities of f is the set {x: g(x) ≠ 0}, which is in turn the union of S_(1/n) for n ranging over the natural numbers. In particular, it is a countable union of countable sets, and therefore is countable. So a function that has limits at every point can only have countably many discontinuities, and in particular cannot be discontinuous at every point. Q.E.D.

By the way, although the set of discontinuities must be countable, it need not itself consist only of isolated points. For instance, the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popcorn_function" is discontinuous at the rationals, but has limit zero everywhere.
 
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1. What is a discontinuity in a function?

A discontinuity in a function occurs when there is a break or interruption in the graph of the function. This means that the function is not continuous at that point and may have a different value or behavior on either side of the discontinuity.

2. What are the different types of discontinuities?

There are three main types of discontinuities: removable, jump, and infinite. A removable discontinuity, also known as a hole, occurs when there is a point on the graph where the function is undefined, but it can be filled in without creating a jump. A jump discontinuity occurs when there is a sudden change in the value of the function at a certain point. An infinite discontinuity occurs when the function approaches positive or negative infinity at a certain point.

3. How do you determine if a function has a limit at a certain point?

A function has a limit at a certain point if the values of the function approach a single finite number as you approach that point from both sides of the graph. This means that the function must be continuous at that point and there should be no breaks or interruptions in the graph. If the values approach different numbers, or the function is not defined at that point, then the limit does not exist.

4. How can you find the limit of a function algebraically?

To find the limit of a function algebraically, you can use the limit laws and properties to simplify the function and substitute the value of the point into the simplified expression. If you get a finite number, then that is the limit. If you get an indeterminate form, such as 0/0 or infinity/infinity, then you can use techniques such as factoring, rationalizing the denominator, or L'Hopital's rule to further simplify the expression and find the limit.

5. What is the relationship between continuity and limits of functions?

The concept of continuity is closely related to the concept of limits of functions. A function is continuous at a point if and only if the limit of the function at that point exists and is equal to the value of the function at that point. In other words, continuity requires that the function has no breaks or interruptions at that point, which is reflected in the existence of the limit.

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