Discuss the World Cup 2010: England vs. USA

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The World Cup 2010 began with South Africa and Mexico drawing 1-1, sparking discussions among fans about their favorite teams and predictions for the tournament. The upcoming match between England and the USA on June 12 is particularly anticipated, with many believing both teams have a good chance of advancing. There was a debate over an offside call that disallowed a goal, with most agreeing it was the correct decision. Predictions for various matches were shared, highlighting excitement and differing opinions on team performances. Overall, the forum serves as a hub for fans to engage in World Cup discussions and share their thoughts on the games.
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World Cup 2010 kicked off this afternoon with the host nation South Africa playing to a 1-1 draw with Mexico. Since this is a global event, any football fans out there in PF can use this thread for all discussion relating to the World Cup. I think we had a special forum in previous years when Greg wasn't globe trotting. Tell us your favourite teams, your tips for the eventual winner, and the matches you look forward to most.

Since the demographic here is mostly USA-ians, the most exciting match coming up looks like the England v USA match on 12/06/10. I think both teams have a good chance of progressing from the group they're in. What are everybody elses thoughts?
 
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Kurdt said:
World Cup 2010 kicked off this afternoon with the host nation South Africa playing to a 1-1 draw with Mexico. Since this is a global event, any football fans out there in PF can use this thread for all discussion relating to the World Cup. I think we had a special forum in previous years when Greg wasn't globe trotting. Tell us your favourite teams, your tips for the eventual winner, and the matches you look forward to most.

Since the demographic here is mostly USA-ians, the most exciting match coming up looks like the England v USA match on 12/06/10. I think both teams have a good chance of progressing from the group they're in. What are everybody elses thoughts?

That's June 12th to us USA-ians, not December 6th :wink:.
 
lisab said:
That's June 12th to us USA-ians, not December 6th :wink:.

Just thought I'd write it in a way that the rest of the world understands. :-p
 
Office_Shredder said:
Terrible offsides call to change the game
Offside call was right, 1 player can be behind the ball.(even if this player in not a goalkeeper)

I'll support the USA but also like the Italy team. (I'm AC Milan fan)
 
Office_Shredder said:
Terrible offsides call to change the game
That was exactly the right call. The offside rule has two parts. First, a player has to be in an offside position. Second, the player has to have committed an offside offense.

Part 1: Was Vela in an offside position? "A player is an offside position if he is nearer the opponent's goal line than both the ball and the second last opponent." The pass was a forward pass. Test #1a: Vela was closer to the goal line than the ball at the time of the pass. What about the penultimate defender? Pienaar was at the goal line, but Khune had run forward. Test #1b: Vela was in front of the penultimate defender (Khune). Put the two together: Vela was in an offside position.

Part 2: Did Vela commit an offside offense? This was not one of the three situations where being in an offside position is legal. Did he interfere with play, interfere with a player, or gain an advantage from being in an offside position? Yes, he scored a goal. Vela was offside. The goal didn't count.
 
That tie in the opener makes the France-Uruguay game rather important. I expect South Africa and Mexico to advance from group A. France doesn't deserve to go anywhere but back to France.

I'd obviously like to see the US advance to the round of 16. Beyond that is wishing for too much. I'd like to see at least one team other than Spain or Brazil in the finals.
 
We should have set up a PF Futbol League like we did last time. We could still do it ...

EDIT: Just can't seem to find the thread for the last time we had a Fantasy FIFA League. Help?
 
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My predictions for group C are that the US will beat England tomorrow in a scrappy game that will embarrass all Englishmen, and force the players to pull their socks up. England and the US will advance (in that order), with the US not getting any further and England getting knocked out in the Semis. As for the eventual winners, well, I quite fancy Argentina even though they're a bit mental: they have some great players. We'll see what happens tomorrow.

As for today's games: I don't see Mexico beating a good side with a defense as poor as they were today, and with such a terrible keeper!
 
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Okay, if you want to play, fill in your best guess of the score for the following day's games. Only submissions that come in before 6AM GMT (on gameday) will be accepted. You get ONE point for each correct outcome (team A wins; team A loses; draw) and ONE additional point for each correct score. Use the format below, and fill in your predictions:

June 12:

S Korea - Greece (1-0)
Argentina - Nigeria (2-1)
USA - England (1-1)
 
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Nicely volunteered, Gokul :biggrin:

June 12:

S Korea - Greece (1-2)
Argentina - Nigeria (4-1)
USA - England (1-0)
 
  • #12
June 12:

S Korea - Greece (0-1)
Argentina - Nigeria (2-0)
USA - England (1-2)
 
  • #13
Oh heck. Being completely contrarian,

S Korea - Greece (2-0) Greece has collapsed in more ways than economically.
Argentina - Nigeria (1-2) Messi will be messy.
USA - England (1-0) Last night's Daily Show fingering of the US team fires the team up.
 
  • #14
S Korea-Greece 1...2
Argentina-Nigeria 3...1
USA-England 1...3
 
  • #15
I filled one out for a contest at work, here's my bet:

Argentina - Nigeria (2 - 0)
South Korea - Greece (1 - 1)
England - USA (2 - 0) (the correct way around)
 
  • #16
USA (3) - England (2)
 
  • #17
cronxeh said:
USA (3) - England (2)

Come on, be realistic. England might be having a bad time defence-wise, but I can't see them letting in 3 USA goals!
 
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cristo said:
Come on, be realistic. England might be having a bad time defence-wise, but I can't see them letting in 3 USA goals!
<cough> Remember Barca? :wink: </cough>
 
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http://o.seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/worldcup/2012084369_soccersaf11.html"
 
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Do they really need to make that damned noise the entire time? It got pretty annoying.

I agree with the offside call, I believe it was the correct call and the goal didn't count. Kudos to the officials for making the first big/difficult call of the World Cup.
 
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zomgwtf said:
Do they really need to make that damned noise the entire time? It got pretty annoying.

I agree with the offside call, I believe it was the correct call and the goal didn't count. Kudos to the officials for making the first big/difficult call of the World Cup.

So far the refereeing is very impressive.
 
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Gokul43201 said:
<cough> Remember Barca? :wink: </cough>

Yes well, erm, that was completely different. (Damn you've got a good memory!)
 
  • #23
[PLAIN]http://d.yimg.com/i//ng/sp/eurosport/20100606/25/9acc1cf043c08a54ccff7ba67796355e.jpg

USA 2, England 1
South Korea 2, Greece 0
Argentina 3, Nigeria 1
 
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Bob, your entry needed to be in by 1AM EST - you're 6 hrs late!

Nevertheless, since we only started yesterday, I'll show some leniency, but only some. Any points won off your late submission will be halved and rounded downwards (floored or GIF'ed).

No more late submissions will be accepted.

I'm putting this in for tomorrow:

June 13:

Algeria - Slovenia (0-1)
Serbia - Ghana (2-1)
Germany - Australia (3-1)

Game update: Jungsoo scores! Korea up by one.
 
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  • #25
Greece looked tired only 25 minutes in.

The second goal by Jisung was fantastic. But he'd better have scored on that one. I can't believe he ignored his team mate that was all alone.

So much for FIFA rankings, eh.

Algeria - Slovenia (0-1)
Serbia - Ghana (2-1)
Germany - Australia (3-0)

Edit: And I should get half a point back for posting a cool picture.:smile:
 
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Algeria - Slovenia (0 - 1)
Serbia - Ghana (1 - 0)
Germany - Australia (2 - 0)
 
  • #27
BobG said:
Greece looked tired only 25 minutes in.
Greece looked tired after that first shot at goal around 5' in, but they are an aging team. Nevertheless, I think it's more the contrast with the speed of the Korean team that made Greece look tired.
So much for FIFA rankings, eh.
I suspect Greece has been riding its 2004 ranking way past its expiry date.
 
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BobG said:
Edit: And I should get half a point back for posting a cool picture.:smile:
You'll get an extra half-point if the US wins and Donovan scores more goals than Rooney in that game!
 
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For the June 13 games:
Algeria - Slovenia (0-0)
Serbia - Ghana (1-1)
Germany – Australia (3-1)
 
  • #30
What a header from Heinze! Maybe I'll get one prediction correct.

I'm holding off on tomorrow's matches, since I don't know too much about the teams!
 
  • #31
Hope it's cool I join in now :smile:

Algeria - Slovenia (0-0)
Serbia - Ghana (1-2)
Germany - Australia (2-1)

Oh boy, the Serbia - Ghana game is going to be interesting for me. All my friends are Serbian and my girlfriend is Ghanaian. So we're going to head to a bar in the morning to watch it. Go blackstarss :wink:
 
  • #32
I will be away from the internet Sunday so will likely put in my votes for Monday sometime soon.

Rule Clarification:

Do not edit predictions posts to correct grammar, typos, etc. if you are doing so after the submission deadline. Any submitted post with an edit showing a time stamp later than the deadline results in a rejection of that post.

Corollary: You may edit your submission to change your entry, so long as it is done before the deadline. No limit on the number of qualifying revisions allowed.

Note: While I started this and produced the general format and rules, I do not promise to be around to monitor things continuously. I will periodically post a table showing our scores, but it's your job to double-check my tallying. Also each person is responsible for getting their votes in for the next set of matches - I will not be around to start things off for all days.
 
  • #33
About joining late: You may join at any point during the tournament. The later you join, the harder it is to be competitive, so there's a benefit to joining early. The only thing that matters in the end is the total number of points you accumulate.
 
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June 13:

Algeria - Slovenia (1-1)
Serbia - Ghana (0-1)
Germany - Australia (2-0)
 
  • #36
One reason this game hasn't caught on so much in the US: not enough bathroom breaks.
 
  • #37
Well, that was disappointing (as usual for an England fan), though our performance was much better than it has been in the recent friendlies and the only goal was due to an awful goalkeeping error.

As for my predictions for tomorrow:

Algeria - Slovenia (2-2)
Serbia - Ghana (2-0)
Germany - Australia (2-0)
 
  • #38
June 12 Update

Results:
S Korea - Greece (2-0)
Argentina - Nigeria (1-0)
USA - England (1-1)Scoring Table
Code: 
Member      June 12 Score      Cumulative Score
-----------------------------------------------
Gokul             4                   4
D H               2                   2
cristo            1                   1
estro             1                   1
Dadface           1                   1
Monique           1                   1
Bob               1                   1
cronxeh           0                   0
Zomgwtf           -                   -

Please make sure I got all your scores right.

EDIT: Less than an hour to get in your predictions for the next set of matches.
 
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  • #39
cristo said:
Well, that was disappointing (as usual for an England fan), though our performance was much better than it has been in the recent friendlies and the only goal was due to an awful goalkeeping error.
England was clearly the better team, and really ought to have scored more. There was that 10-minute or so period early in the second half when Haskey, Crouch and Rooney had a series of opportunities but didn't convert any. That was England's best chance to edge ahead. No complaints from me though; I guessed a 1-1 draw (but I thought the US team would be stronger on defense than they actually were).
 
  • #40
June 13:

Algeria - Slovenia (1-0)
Serbia - Ghana (0-1)
Germany - Australia (3-0)
 
  • #41
Take that SUCK IT England, you plonkers! WOOOO AMURIKAA F' YEAHH!

(Look at me, I watched 10 mins of sports one of the rate times ever in my life. Now I feel like a real man posting this :approve:)

Side Note:
As I was watching, the clock was counting up. What the hell :confused:? I got confused, and they didnt say if it was half time, or if that guy made a touch down. Screw this sport.
 
  • #42
Cyrus said:
Take that SUCK IT England, you plonkers! WOOOO AMURIKAA F' YEAHH!

(Look at me, I watched 10 mins of sports one of the rate times ever in my life. Now I feel like a real man posting this :approve:)

Side Note:
As I was watching, the clock was counting up. What the hell :confused:? I got confused, and they didnt say if it was half time, or if that guy made a touch down. Screw this sport.
Cyrus, see what happens when you get drunk and accidentally wander into the wrong thread?

There are plenty of love-struck geeks craving your expertise in the relationship forum. :biggrin:
 
  • #43
Gokul43201 said:
There are plenty of love-struck geeks craving your expertise in the relationship forum. :biggrin:

:smile:
 
  • #44
gokul43201 said:
cyrus, see what happens when you get drunk and accidentally wander into the wrong thread?

There are plenty of love-struck geeks craving your expertise in the relationship forum. :biggrin:
:smile: :smile: :smile:
 
  • #45
I join in,haha.I'm not familiar with teams today,just a guess.

Algeria - Slovenia (2-2)
Serbia - Ghana (1:2)
Germany - Australia (2:0)
 
  • #46
no seriously...why was that clock counting up? I wanted to know when it would end, and then I got the feeling it never would... :frown:
 
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  • #47
Cyrus said:
no seriously...why was that clock counting up? I wanted to know when it would end, and then I got the feeling it never would... :frown:

Lol it confused me when I first started watching soccer. (the last world cup) I guess that's just the way they do it, no real 'reason' to the madness. People say it's because of the injury/stop time added but that makes no sense to me, they could easily have done it the same way with the clock counting down. (once it hits 0 they have teh same injury time clock come up counting up to whatever or down to whatever extra time there is).

Hopefully they realize that with the marvelous technology we have now days you can PAUSE the time! Yes I know novel concept 'pausing time' (can he really do it?).
 
  • #48
Cyrus said:
no seriously...why was that clock counting up? I wanted to know when it would end, and then I got the feeling it never would... :frown:

1. It was this way since the very beginning.

2. You are supposed to know half a game lasts 45 minutes (and can be prolonged).
 
  • #49
Algeria Slovenia-1,1
Serbia Ghana-2,0
Germany Australia-2,0
 
  • #50
zomgwtf said:
Lol it confused me when I first started watching soccer. (the last world cup) I guess that's just the way they do it, no real 'reason' to the madness. People say it's because of the injury/stop time added but that makes no sense to me, they could easily have done it the same way with the clock counting down. (once it hits 0 they have teh same injury time clock come up counting up to whatever or down to whatever extra time there is).

Hopefully they realize that with the marvelous technology we have now days you can PAUSE the time! Yes I know novel concept 'pausing time' (can he really do it?).

Football is a flowing game and it is often unclear when pauses should occur. The clock counts how long the game has been in play which is a remnant of the age of the sport when they would just be timed with a clock or a watch.

On the subject of the England v USA game. Why do England keep making it so hard for themselves? :cry: I was very surprised he went with a 442 instead of playing Gerrard or Cole behind Rooney. I was especially surprised when he brought Crouch on for Heskey. Hardly a tactical change. They're going to have to get a lot better if they want to go anywhere. Watching the Algeria v Slovenia match at the moment they will have a couple of good practise matches to get it right which I'm thankful for.
 

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