Discussing Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs)

[Sting]

Same idea. Have any comments, info, etc. on UFO's, please post here. Thanks.

 

[MacTech]

UFOs are just UFOs they don't have connection to outer space beings.

 

[Sting]

Unfortunetly, people often confuse the two concepts

 

[STAii]

If UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object, then every flying object is a UFO until we identify it.
Therefore any new airplane can be considered a UFO until people know what plane it is.
Also, a flying hydrogen baloon (that was in the hand of a little boy, but then flyed off when he accidentally let it go) that has a strange shape will be a UFO too.
Or ... wouldn't they be so ?

 

[Blickter]

Lunch...

The basic concept of a UFO is just something that people can't identify, (and knowing certain people, that's not saying much). Therefore, I smash a plate, grind something sticky into it and launch it at a high velocity. Hence, the UFO.

P.S. Mirrors may be added to create "lights in the sky" effect.

 

[Nicool003]

Mactech what is your proof of that?

Aliens must exist. Think about it there is a constantly growing amount of space in the universe and are you proposing we are the only ones? And, the aliens do have a chance of being more advanced than us and if they are who is to say that they have not found us and come to Earth?

as I quote from the movie and book Contact (on the subject of aliens in the universe)

"Don't you think that's an awful waste of space?"

 

[STAii]

Nicool,
Why are u trying to connect UFOs directly to Aliens ?
It is possible to have Aliens without connected UFOs.
It is possible to have UFOs without connected aliens.
It is possible to have Aliens with their connected UFOs .

 

[Zargawee]

It is possible to have UFOs without connected aliens

If Those UFO's Are Not Alien Made , Then Why We Consider It UFO's Since Human Beings Made It ?

For Teh Two Remaining Answers , I Think they Are Possible .

 

[FZ+]

UFO = Unidentified Flying Object

Hence, technically speaking, a top secret spy plane can be an UFO.

 

[Nicool003]

Nicool,

Why are u trying to connect UFOs directly to Aliens ?

Why arent you? what is wrong with doing that?!

It is possible to have UFOs without connected aliens.

And it is possible and more likely to connect them WITH aliens.

all I am trying to say is that aliens exist and that it is likely they know we are out here and have come by/on Earth. No country has flying ships such as those captured in old drawings/photographs,pictures/even home videos (oon the old PF i posted a few pictures I had found along witht he video that went with it about a UFO)

 

[Nicool003]

Wow you'd think I would have a response by now.

Does anyone want to comment on what I posted before?

 

[Rashid]

UFO= Aliens thing? Not even a possibility.

Hello,
I'm not supporting the claim that UFO's are Aliens. Now, say you were around back in the late 1800 and early 1900s when manmade aircraft were being tested and developed. If you wern't involved in the projects and if you saw an airplane flying over you're house then wouldn't you think it was something phenominal, unexplainable, and unachievable by man? Back in those days people would believe in psychics and astrology rather than men flying around in winged crafts. That was almost 100 years ago or more. For some reason it's been our goal as mankind to fly. Look at Divinci and all those people that strapped on wings to their arms to fly back in the really old days. So how is it impossible for us as mankind to Finally and eventually take off the wings and yet stay afloat in mid air? I think that some people are just so driven and educated in the sciences that they were able to put their knowledge into creative uses and find ways around our common and wasteful jet propulsion techniques. Look at Eintstein and the formings of nuclear technology as an example. Look at how advanced nuclear technology already is and where it was even in the 1950's. You could fit a bomb the equivelent to Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined, into a shell that fits into a Howlitzer cannon.
Don't limit Mankind to our current technology and your inability to look deeper into things or into the future.
UFO's are not extraterrestrial. In fact, if they were then wouldn't their actions as of today be considered hostile? They have entered our atmosphere uninvited, caused mass hysteria (the Arizona incident), and supposedly mutilated our livestock and implanted probes into people.
If you were to take all of what people have said about aliens and UFO's seriously then we would probably be at war already with some alien race that only lives in our imagination.
Don't underestimate your fellow Man, our race, and our potential.

Lord Rashid

 

[megashawn]

While I too think that there is no limit to what man is capable of, given enough time, I highly doubt these crafts we've been seing our alien. While no person can rule out the existence of aliens, not one can provide proof for there existence either. Look at the raeliens, for example.

And, if these crafts are of alien origin, what is with all the smoke and mirrors. I mean, making crop circles is impressive, but not out of mans grasp, and surely any being with the means to travel the universe would find a better way of communicating with us (telephone, internet, email). I mean, surely they could pickup on the millions of radio waves and figure out how to tap into our communications systems. Has this happened? no.

Honestly there is a lot in common with a person who believes UFO's are of alien origin, and people who believe the universe is of spiritual origin. While you can believe this all you want, its merely a belief and does not hold any water against currently known facts, like, not being able to travel the vast distances of space in a feasible amount of time.

 

[Raavin]

I tend to believe that there is no possibility for faster then light travel. Given that, if aliens got here it would have taken a huge amount of time. I can't see why they would just buzz over and not contact us. Even at close to light speeds, if their time was contracted during the trip, it would still be enough time on their planet that you would think that they would want to be able to say that they had met and engaged with life from another planet. I would like to think that there was other advanced life (assuming that we are) in the universe but don't believe they visit us on a regular basis.

Raavin

 

[Nicool003]

What about crop circles? I'm not sure how else they could be made like that...

 

[chosenone]

what if the aliens after rosewell,got smart.to prevent another accident there made there spacecraft s in the image of our own aircrafts to disguise them as our own.you would never be able to tell to difference between theirs and our own.

 

[greeneagle3000]

ET

there are millions and trillions of universes and galaxies. surely ET live exists. UFO and aliens have been mixed up and that dosen't matter now.

 

[chosenone]

If aliens did disguise their ships as airplanes,so we would'nt think much of a plane going over head,so they can monitor us.they would have two advantages.one if their ships anti gravity system fails like it did last time,they would go to aerodynamics to stay aloft,and not drop like a rock.two if the government covered it up last time.if they crashed they would have a cover story that it was only a plane and not a alien spacecraft that crashed.to keep it a secret.

 

[FZ+]

Now that's just paranoic. What if aliens disguised themselves as air? Then they will be utterly indetectable, and be easily able to go inside you and conduct experiments and stuff. So clearly we must STOP BREATHING NOW!

 

[greeneagle3000]

no paranoia

there is nothing to be afraid of. the aliens are everywhere. they may be even us. we are aliens to them anyway. what's there to be afriad?
if you have fear, fear will eat you.

 

[FZ+]

Erm... how does that work? How can one be alien to oneself?

 

[russ_watters]

Originally posted by FZ+
Erm... how does that work? How can one be alien to oneself?

No I think what he means is that if you ask an alien if he's an alien, he'll say "no, you are."

 

[chosenone]

O.K. what if aliens are here,but they don't want to approach us.sorta like star treks prime directive.not to interfere with lesser species.plus would'nt it scare the s**t out of everybody.we would think they were going to destroy us.even if they were trying to be our friends.no one would fully trust them,always waiting for them to have some secret plan to subvert our attention before they do it.also if they did approach us.we would ask for there technology.if they had a good reason not to give it to us, we would see it as a sign that they can't be trusted,because they would'nt give us things we thought were'nt a big deal.also what do you think is the success rate of turning a beginning technological people,ito highly advanced faster than light.know everything about science,and keep them from killing them self using it for self gain,or abusing the relationship with them,in the process?

 

[russ_watters]

Originally posted by sir-pinski
Whoa ...

Granted they could be among us ... but why assume that. Surely it's more plausible to assume they are not here. Besides you could make the same argument about pixies or wizards or for that matter secret government conspiracies Nope easier just to assume no aliens until we see some evidence.

Because its FUN.

 

[chosenone]

sorry to sound paranoid.I'm not, just though it sounded cool.but if you want what I would have say if I was.thats why you can't prove they exist because they hide behind the fact they do this for a living,as they explore the universe.they don't let the poeple on the planet their visiting find out their there.obviously.they don't want to disturb them or they would be responsible for genicide of a race.so they hind in our style of airplanes so we don't know their there.

 

[Nicool003]

Firstly ... the individuals who created the first crop circles admitted to having created them and even demonstrated how they where done. Secondly does anybody actually believe that a civilisation capable of interstellar travel would choose to communicate by creating patterns in some fields. Crop circles I am afraid are just another of humanity's bizarre creations.

How do you know they did not lie? How do you know they really did it? They couldn't possibly have done them all they may have just wanted credit. Crop circles have been around longer than them probably.

 

[russ_watters]

Originally posted by Nicool003
How do you know they did not lie? How do you know they really did it? They couldn't possibly have done them all they may have just wanted credit. Crop circles have been around longer than them probably.

The hoaxsters DEMONSTRATED how they did it.

 

[Bellatrix]

There is a belief that UFO's are inter-dimensional travellers, just as any of the elusive physical phenomenon are. For example, Sasquatch and aka's, Loch Ness Monster and aka's, etc. All beings and creatures moving through our dimension in a multi-dimensional reality. I feel that I agree with this theory, this possibility, as I believe our realities exist in a multi-dimensional reality. It's only logical that we experience travellers from other dimensions like we travel to other dimensions in our sleeping, waking and lucid dreaming states.

 

[username]

I find that theory almost plausable except for nessie,sasquatch etc. The only problem is that there hardly any evidence. If you start beliving in stuff that has no evidence you end up religious or beliving in flying banana's. Of course this is ok except there is more contradictory evidence than evidence supporting the theory.

 

[chosenone]

maybe not another dimension,but what if they can focus a gravitational beam at another planet,latch on to it,use the gravity to stretch spacetime closer,then with time slowed down by the gravitatonal field itself,pull themselves to the planet earth.with the reduced distance by streching spacetime,and time slowed down for the traveller,and since gravity may travel faster than light,it just might work.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Crop circle are real!. They were studied by meteorologists as early as the forties. No doubt about it! There are fake ones and there are real ones. I think all of the complicated ones are fakes. I also think aliens mind control drunken college students into making the fake ones.

Do Aliens come in UFOs?
Where's the evidence? To be honest, we don’t know if we are in a position to have any evidence. Is the government hiding things? Maybe. A lot ex-military people say they are. But to be practical, good evidence does not seem an easy thing to satisfy. How do we know what to look for?

Let’s just make a wild assumption that there are beings that travel here. Next, let’s say they are interdimensional beings who travel here by typical interdimensional modes of transport. Who can name the evidence that we can expect? Tell me exactly what I am supposed to find. If we had it, would we even know it? Ok let’s make things easier. If the aliens come in flying saucers, then just what are they made of? What parts should we expect to be falling off in order to satisfy science? What kind of chemical trail should we look for? Could they mine materials on this planet to produce ships? Wouldn’t that make more sense than flying them all here…if you were an alien? Haven’t we already realized this in our own plans for planetary exploration? Can we really even guess what evidence we can expect given the premise? Presently, I wonder if science is defined broadly enough to address the UFO issue. Are we like Kaku’s ants contemplating the distant rumble of cars on the highway?

I agree completely that we don’t have the evidence to satisfy science. Guess what, science does not have a monopoly on truth. In fact this is my point: Some true things exist that can never be proven by science. Things have happened in my life, nothing unusual but everyday things that I can never prove. I can never prove to you that I ate toast this morning...but I did. Unfortunately I can never satisfy science of this fact. Now, where do we draw the line? When does human testimony become unworthy of consideration? Science could never convict a criminal. He would never repeat the crime! Likewise, UFOs never seem to follow schedules.

So the real question is not where’s the evidence, instead I ask, how much would you bet?

 

[Ivan Seeking]

But I think you miss the point.

If someone claims to have experienced something, whether it be UFOS or toast, there may be nothing that they can do to satisfy your requirement. This does not make the experience any less real...if there was anything real about. Science cannot mandate what is and is not truth. This is not the job of science, but many seek to make it so. Madness lies not here but in the empty soul.

How many scientists have made a serious effort to investigate the UFO evidence. An unwritten assumption of silliness prevails that impedes honest inquiry. Most scientists will admit that life must exist out there. And, most scientists will admit that civilizations could easily exist that are millions of years more advanced than us. Our own theories inspire real designs for time machines and warp drive. We seek non-spaghettificating [sic] black hole solutions. We surmise the existence of 12 dimensional hyper-surfaces, quantum foam, and superpositions of existence that completely defy conceptualization, much less understanding. We look for tachyons, and we ignore the spooky part of entanglement. But UFOS? Silliness!

I should also add that according the the Quantum Cosmologists, as soon as you took measure of my position, YOU leapt into a superposition of eigenstates...so I guess you now agree and disagree: Exactly how do we define where the "silly line" is drawn anyway? I don't mean to insult science or scientists in any way here as I love the stuff. I am one of physic's biggest fans. I even bothered to get a degree. I only mean to compare and contrast the explanations that we accept [consider] and that we don't accept [are not willing to consider], without having direct evidence in either case.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

---“The problem comes when people start making extraordinary claims that fly in the face of currently accepted ideas. If someone makes an extraordinary claim which is contrary to currently accepted ideas then that person better have some damn good evidence to back it up.”

I don’t agree. The observer may have no control over the evidence. The truth could exist even without the evidence. Is the position of science to be: Even if ET is here, it is only significant if we have proof? If I can’t measure ET he doesn’t exist, or, his potential existence is meaningless? I don’t think we need to collapse ET’s wave function.

--- “It shouldn't be enough for someone to come along and say hey guess what I saw last night and then expect the entire scientific community to listen. It needs to be difficult to get controversial ideas accepted. If not then as scientists we would end up spending most of our time following up crack-pots and car headlights.”

I agree. This is a problem.

-- I accept that every now and then a correct claim comes along but without good solid evidence it means nothing to consensus opinion which is what science is all about.

But we can’t derive or predict ET like we can black holes or quantum foam. In fact, the only thing science really has to say about ET of late is that he/she/it/they are likely out there.

---Now as far as U.F.O.'s go ... scientists do agree in the possiblity of alien life but to infer from that that we have been visited is an unfounded step.

Based on the science, I agree. Based on history and human testimony, I’m not sure. To assume that we have not been visited is equally unfounded.

--I might also point out that at least we have good evidence for entanglement and quantum superpositions and we have some good mathematics behind ideas like quantum foam do we have anything nearly as solid for U.F.O.'s?

Has anyone ever seen, measured, or even indirectly detected quantum foam? I can point to ten million people [or whatever the number is] who claim to have seen a UFO. Now, from a purely statistical point of view, [no preconceived notions of reality allowed] what would you normally think the odds are that at least one “witness” could give an accurate account?

--This is not about silliness (quantum mechanics is fairly silly as it is). This is about evidence and the requirement of it for acceptance by other people.

I completely agree that we cannot elevate human testimony to a level of proof. But, what scientific value does human testimony carry? Well, none. Here is the core of my objection. Things of great significance may exist which science has no way to address. This limitation is artificial. The purpose of science is to help humankind understand its place in the universe, and the universe itself. The desire for knowledge is not limited to what can be formalized in a theorem. Science is about what is and what is not; not just what can be measured! This is an artificial construct needed to satisfy a formalism. Ok. We use it in the lab. It works for subatomic particles. And, at the deepest levels these things are probably true. But sometimes we have to use other rules for the macroscopic world if we are to address some potentially real issues. I don’t have a model or a framework for what I argue. I only mean to suggest that the real purpose of science nearly lost in the details. In principle and in practice, I think we can do better.

By the way, I have never seen a UFO...at least not one likely piloted by ET. But I have spoken with otherwise credible people who claim they have.

 

[megashawn]

. I can never prove to you that I ate toast this morning...but I did. Unfortunately I can never satisfy science of this fact.

Well, if it's only been since this morning, then science probably could satisfy that fact:)

 

[Ivan Seeking]

No...I lied. I never had toast. But I do know someone who claims they really did have toast.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

I was going to make a point by point rebuttal, but instead I will sum up my position this way. On a few occasions science has taken an honest look at the UFO question. One symposium was held in the seventies and was privately funded by Rockefellers I believe. There was even a recent symposium on Alien Abduction held at MIT. [That one would have even been difficult for me to attend]. Whenever science has made an official INFORMED statement on the subject, the results are the same - a core of about 5% of the ten million “sightings” or so are seemingly inexplicable and “worthy of further investigation”. What kind of examples are these 5%? They sometimes involve multiple witnesses, multiple radar contacts, and objects that demonstrate incredible behavior such as 25g accelerations. but, the “further investigation” never seems to happen, and anyone who does address this issue is immediately considered fringe. Heck, even the SETI crowd takes some hits.

Science does give absolutely silly responses to some UFO reports. Usually the kind of response that insults the intelligence and questions the sanity of all involved. I remember the story that really first got my attention. I ran across this as a result of an English assignment in college. A Japan cargo flight was traveling a polar route…I forget the destination and such. There were six crewmen onboard and the plane had on-board radar. The pilot and crew reported that a craft followed them for two hours. It was seen at times behind them, and at other times directly alongside the plane. It was described as about the size of an aircraft carrier. The on-board radar and I think not one but two ground stations recorded the second craft.

At the time I subscribed to an astronomy magazine and in it I happened to find a response [from a respected scientist] to this particular UFO report. It was argued that Venus was unusually bright that night and it was likely the cause of the sighting. Now really! This response is just plain stupid! I have seen many other examples of this kind of closed minded garbage. Were the claims of the crew in anyway directly addressed and then some argument made about how they could have been so wrong, that might be reasonable. But the explanation clearly flies in the face of the evidence. It should be noted that the pilot was fired as a result of this event. He took Japan Airlines to court and won. He is now retired on full benefits. This is one particularly good example of hundreds I have found in my own informal investigations.

I realize that stories don’t make science, but we have more than just stories. We have photographs, videos and film, radar contacts, multiple witness sightings, residual radiation and other residual effects on the local flora associated with reported UFO landing sights. We have reports from highly credible witnesses. We have reports that contain information that yields insight only now after fifty years…that is, a report from 1950 for example that only makes sense now. A very sweet German lady reported with great anxiety what she thought was a Russian craft, a saucer that had landed in her pasture. She wanted to be sure the military knew about this new Russian technology. We can now be sure that no-one had the craft that she reported. There were the Foo Fighters from WWII. How many people have even heard of these? Plenty of WWII pilots have I can assure you. I’ll bet most scientists haven’t.

But above all else, this is the single most important reason for science to take this subject more seriously and to find better ways to investigate these experiences: If aliens really are visiting, the rest of science pales by comparison! If true, this is the biggest story in the history of science, and possibly for all of humanity. If not true, there are still some interesting mysteries out there to be solved. Unfortunately, I know that most people who are in a position to help provide answers here have really closed their minds to the possibilities...and that’s just bad science!

 

[Ivan Seeking]

"I know that neither Russia nor this country has anything even approaching such high speeds and maneuvers. Behind the scenes high ranking officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs, but through official secrecy and ridicule many citizens are led to believe that the unknown flying objects are nonsense."

Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoeter, First director of the CIA.
1960 NICAP press conference.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

"The UFO was bouncing around the 747. [It] was a huge ball with lights running around it….Well, I’ve been involved in a lot of cover-ups with the FAA. When we gave the presentation to the Reagan staff, they had all those people swear that this never happened. But they never had me swear it never happened. I can tell you what I’ve seen with my own eyes. I’ve got a videotape. I’ve got the voice tape. I’ve got the reports that were filed that will confirm what I’ve been telling you."

FAA Division Chief of Accidents and Investigations, John Callahan

 

[Ivan Seeking]

" I have no doubt that something landed at this U.S. Air Force base [Bentwaters] and I have no doubt that it has got the people concerned into a considerable state. The Ministry of Defense has doggedly stuck to it's normal line, that nothing of defense interest took place. Either large numbers of people , including the commanding general at Bentwaters,were hallucinating, and for an American Air Force nuclear base , this is extremely dangerous - or what they say did happen.
In either of these circumstances, there can be only one answer - that it was of extreme defense interest to the U.K.".

Admiral Lord Hill-Norton , former chief of the British Defense Staff

 

[Ivan Seeking]

"A saucer flew right over [us], put down three landing gears, and landed out on the dry lakebed. [The cameramen] went out there with their cameras towards the UFO….I had a chance to hold [the film] up to the window. Good close-up shots. There was no doubt in my mind that it was made someplace other than on this earth."

Mercury & Gemini Astronaut, Colonel Gordon Cooper

 

[Ivan Seeking]

"There is a [military] publication called JANAP 146E that has a section that says you will not reveal any information regarding the UFO phenomenon under penalty of $10,000 fine and ten years in jail. So the secret has been kept."

-----US Navy Pilot, Lieutenant Frederick Fox

Edit:http://rr0.free.fr/janp146e.html

 

[Ivan Seeking]

"I have frequently been asked why a person of my background—a former Chief of the Defense Staff, a former Chairman of the NATO Military Committee—why I think there is a cover-up [of] the facts about UFOs. I believe governments fear that if they did disclose those facts, people would panic. I don’t believe that at all. There is a serious possibility that we are being visited by people from outer space. It behooves us to find out who they are, where they come from, and what they want."

-Admiral Lord Hill-Norton , former chief of the British Defense Staff

 

[Ivan Seeking]

I am sure that many of you have heard of Roswell, and all of those nuts who thought that a balloon was a crashed flying saucer...in 1947. These were the same guys in charge of the most classified weapon in history. Roswell was the base of the worlds only nuclear strike force. The Enola Gay flew out of Roswell. What a bunch of knuckle heads!

 

[username]

Why do ufo's always have to come from outer space. Surely it makes much more sense that they are classified military projects considering that a lot of the sightings happen at military bases.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Originally posted by username
Why do ufo's always have to come from outer space. Surely it makes much more sense that they are classified military projects considering that a lot of the sightings happen at military bases.

I have no doubt that most sightings claimed near military bases by civilians are easily explained. I have a little more difficulty with this idea when the base security forces are involved, or when F14s respond, or when the base commander goes public. Check out the names above - the previous quotes. Most of these people were or are involved in the military. Many of the most compelling testimonials come from the military. For a time, I was nearly convinced that the only conspiracy in effect is one by the military to perpetuate the UFO myth - to hide actual technology behind the smoke screen of aliens from Alpha Centauri – thus discrediting actual sightings of real planes. To some extent they may take advantage of this, but ultimately it seems that too many events and testimonials contradict this notion. Also, I never said they were from another planet. I don’t know what I think. I do know that highly credible witnesses come with supporting evidence, and claims to have made direct observations of incredible technologies that simply could not be ours or due to confusion. It’s not the 95% that can be easily dismissed that interests me; it’s the other 5%...or in the case of military bases perhaps 0.5%, but surely more than zero.

I know this means little to any of you, but for me it was significant. After years of balking I finally got up the nerve to bring this subject up with an uncle who had been a lifer in the Marines. At one time he was a base commander. He is a Semper Fi, Leatherneck loyal, feet on the ground no BS type of guy. When I finally asked the big quesion - what do you think about this UFO stuff? [didn't want to sound too serious you know] - he looked me dead in the eyes and said "There's something out there". As it turned out, in Vietnam he had listened to a couple of UFO fighter jet intercepts on the radio. It seems there was no doubt in his mind.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

"On August fifth [1926] - something remarkable! We were in our camp in the Kukunor district not far from the Humboldt Chain. In the morning about half-past nine some of our caravaneers noticed a remarkably big black eagle flying over us. Seven of us began to watch this unusual bird. At this same moment another of our caravaneers remarked, 'There is something far above the bird'. And he shouted in his astonishment. We all saw, in a direction from north to south, something big and shiny reflecting the sun, like a huge oval moving at great speed. Crossing our camp the thing changed in its direction from south to southwest. And we saw how it disappeared in the intense blue sky. We even had time to take our field glasses and saw quite distinctly an oval form with shiny surface, one side of which was brilliant from the sun."
- Nicholas Roerich, Altai-Himalaya

I contacted the Roerich Musuem in New York and confirmed this quote. The curator's assistant was very familiar with this excerpt. He then added that Roerich's wife was also on this expedition. In her diary she comments that this must have been a craft with people from somewhere else; and then suggests the existence of life on other planets.

EDIT: Minor changes to format

 

[username]

I have come up with a new theory that ufos are piloted by rods and the so called abductions are cases of indescriminate roding, ok so that's not true but what if the human species discovered a way to manipulate time in the distant future could some of the ufos be from planet Earth in the future ?
Probably not but I think its better than the idea of ET's.

 

[username]

As for the Bentwater's ufo case, I thought the base was conducting high energy beam experiments at the time, if this is true it's not hard to imagine that some sort of airborne apparatus was involved (maybe this could account for the radioactivity as well).

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Originally posted by username
As for the Bentwater's ufo case, I thought the base was conducting high energy beam experiments at the time, if this is true it's not hard to imagine that some sort of airborne apparatus was involved (maybe this could account for the radioactivity as well).

Don't you think the base commander and the security forces would have known about this? Also, the security detail reported direct observation of a craft.

EDIT: It is cases like this one that nearly convinced me that the military wants us to falsely believe in UFOs. In end however, in spite of the entirely unacceptable implications, this hypothesis seems to fail.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Originally posted by username
...what if the human species discovered a way to manipulate time in the distant future could some of the ufos be from planet Earth in the future ?
Probably not but I think its better than the idea of ET's.

There is an old challenge: If time travel will ever be possible then where are the time travelers [from the future]?

If we saw some would we know it? Dunno.